<< >> NASA ASRS Report 1276516, July 2015

Lax local assist reports of two super aircraft east of taxiway whiskey which is not allowed if an aircraft is on the ILS to runway 24L. Controller did not advise local which was a developmental to ask the pilot if they could accept a visual approach instead of the ILS. This would have solved the problem.

Attributes
ACN	1276516
Time
Date	201507
Local Time Of Day	1801-2400
Place
Locale Reference	LAX.Airport
State Reference	CA
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Widebody Low Wing 4 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 129
Flight Phase	Taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Widebody Low Wing 4 Turbojet Eng
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 129
Flight Phase	Taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Function	Handoff / Assist Local
Qualification	Air Traffic Control Fully Certified
Experience	Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 1.5
Events
Anomaly	ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy

Narrative:

There was training taking place on local control 2. I was working local assist 2. Ground control 2 taxied out 2 A380s back to back. When aircraft X super got to the runway; they were not ready for departure. Had they been ready none of this would have happened. There ended up being aircraft X super and aircraft Y super both east of taxiway whiskey; with aircraft on an ILS approach to runway 24L. According to the new rules at lax; there can only be one super east of whiskey with an ILS approach in progress to runway 24L; and there was two. It could have been remedied had local control 2 cleared an aircraft for a visual approach instead; but since they were training they were not aware of the situation. I should've been more aware as assist; but I was coordinating that aircraft X super wasn't ready. Again; this rule does not seem necessary.

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Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: LAX Local Assist reports of two Super aircraft east of Taxiway Whiskey which is not allowed if an aircraft is on the ILS to Runway 24L. Controller did not advise local which was a developmental to ask the pilot if they could accept a visual approach instead of the ILS. This would have solved the problem.

Narrative: There was training taking place on Local Control 2. I was working Local Assist 2. Ground Control 2 taxied out 2 A380s back to back. When Aircraft X Super got to the runway; they were not ready for departure. Had they been ready none of this would have happened. There ended up being Aircraft X Super and Aircraft Y Super both east of Taxiway Whiskey; with aircraft on an ILS approach to Runway 24L. According to the new rules at LAX; there can only be one Super east of Whiskey with an ILS approach in progress to Runway 24L; and there was two. It could have been remedied had Local Control 2 cleared an aircraft for a visual approach instead; but since they were training they were not aware of the situation. I should've been more aware as assist; but I was coordinating that Aircraft X Super wasn't ready. Again; this rule does not seem necessary.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.