Air carrier large transport unauthorized taxi unauthorized runway crossing.

Attributes
ACN	131253
Time
Date	198912
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : pit
State Reference	PA
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : fai
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 5000
ASRS Report	131253
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : unable
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

We were communicating with the ramp control (separate agency from ATC) and requested taxi to the hangar de-icing pad. We were instructed to follow a company medium large transport. We followed the medium large transport around the south tip of the terminal, and were asked to hold short of runway 14 (an active departure runway) by ramp control. We were then told to follow the medium large transport to the de-ice pad and contact ground control. The medium large transport crossed runway 14 and we followed him, as the first officer called ground control. After crossing the runway ground control asked why we had crossed runway 14 before calling him. I then asked for the tower chief's phone number and called him after landing at ind. We discussed the whole situation, and he stated the matter would be dropped, but could have resulted in a suspension, because we crossed an active runway without permission. There is definitely a communications breakdown between ramp control, pilots, and ground control, and when does ramp control's authority end and ground control authority begin.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR LGT UNAUTH TAXI UNAUTH RWY CROSSING.

Narrative: WE WERE COMMUNICATING WITH THE RAMP CONTROL (SEPARATE AGENCY FROM ATC) AND REQUESTED TAXI TO THE HANGAR DE-ICING PAD. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO FOLLOW A COMPANY MLG. WE FOLLOWED THE MLG AROUND THE S TIP OF THE TERMINAL, AND WERE ASKED TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 14 (AN ACTIVE DEP RWY) BY RAMP CONTROL. WE WERE THEN TOLD TO FOLLOW THE MLG TO THE DE-ICE PAD AND CONTACT GND CONTROL. THE MLG CROSSED RWY 14 AND WE FOLLOWED HIM, AS THE F/O CALLED GND CONTROL. AFTER XING THE RWY GND CONTROL ASKED WHY WE HAD CROSSED RWY 14 BEFORE CALLING HIM. I THEN ASKED FOR THE TWR CHIEF'S PHONE NUMBER AND CALLED HIM AFTER LNDG AT IND. WE DISCUSSED THE WHOLE SITUATION, AND HE STATED THE MATTER WOULD BE DROPPED, BUT COULD HAVE RESULTED IN A SUSPENSION, BECAUSE WE CROSSED AN ACTIVE RWY WITHOUT PERMISSION. THERE IS DEFINITELY A COMMUNICATIONS BREAKDOWN BETWEEN RAMP CONTROL, PLTS, AND GND CONTROL, AND WHEN DOES RAMP CONTROL'S AUTHORITY END AND GND CONTROL AUTHORITY BEGIN.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.