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Attributes | |
ACN | 132415 |
Time | |
Date | 198912 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mem |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mem |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 132415 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Mem approach: 'do you see traffic at 12 O'clock?' air carrier: 'we see traffic at 10:30-11.' mem approach: 'maintain visibility sep from that traffic, cleared for visibility approach to runway 18L.' shortly thereafter our jump seat rider, a pilot from another airline, pointed out traffic at from 12-1 O'clock. That made 2 aircraft, and the second was not the one was had seen earlier,but it is the traffic with which we could have had a conflict. Since the controller could have seen both aircraft, we think he should have pointed out both aircraft. Certainly he should have been more careful before issuing the visibility approach.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG REPORTS TRAFFIC SIGHTED AFTER MEM APCH TRAFFIC ADVISORY, BUT IT WAS THE WRONG TRAFFIC.
Narrative: MEM APCH: 'DO YOU SEE TFC AT 12 O'CLOCK?' ACR: 'WE SEE TFC AT 10:30-11.' MEM APCH: 'MAINTAIN VIS SEP FROM THAT TFC, CLRED FOR VIS APCH TO RWY 18L.' SHORTLY THEREAFTER OUR JUMP SEAT RIDER, A PLT FROM ANOTHER AIRLINE, POINTED OUT TFC AT FROM 12-1 O'CLOCK. THAT MADE 2 ACFT, AND THE SECOND WAS NOT THE ONE WAS HAD SEEN EARLIER,BUT IT IS THE TFC WITH WHICH WE COULD HAVE HAD A CONFLICT. SINCE THE CTLR COULD HAVE SEEN BOTH ACFT, WE THINK HE SHOULD HAVE POINTED OUT BOTH ACFT. CERTAINLY HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CAREFUL BEFORE ISSUING THE VIS APCH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.