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B737-700 first officer reported the PAPI lights for 24R at lax appear to be designed for a displaced threshold that is not yet being used.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 1326972 |
| Time | |
| Date | 201601 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | LAX.Airport |
| State Reference | CA |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Make Model Name | B737-700 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Function | First Officer |
| Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
| Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 143 Flight Crew Type 6000 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Narrative:
On a visual approach at night to 24R; we had no GS info as it was NOTAM'd out of service. During the approach; a set of PAPI lights between the runways appeared to be giving visual guidance to 24R as depicted on the approach chart. However; as we got closer to the runway; it became clear that the PAPI guidance must be for the new displaced threshold on 24L as it was driving us high on approach for 24R. I then ignored that guidance and using other visual references safely landed on 24R.on the ground; I contacted ATC to ask them about the lighting and they assured me that the 24R papis were on and that perhaps I was mistaken. However; on the next ATIS; the papis for 24R were shown as out of service.upon departure from lax; we noted that the papis for 24L were indeed on as we began our takeoff roll.I believe that the papis for 24L should be turned off if no GS guidance is being given for 24R to avoid giving pilots erroneous information even if all appropriate NOTAMS are posted. It sets a pilot up for a long landing outside of the touchdown zone if you mistakenly follow the only GS guidance visually available.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-700 FO reported the PAPI lights for 24R at LAX appear to be designed for a displaced threshold that is not yet being used.
Narrative: On a visual approach at night to 24R; we had no GS info as it was NOTAM'd out of service. During the approach; a set of PAPI lights between the runways appeared to be giving visual guidance to 24R as depicted on the approach chart. However; as we got closer to the runway; it became clear that the PAPI guidance must be for the new displaced threshold on 24L as it was driving us high on approach for 24R. I then ignored that guidance and using other visual references safely landed on 24R.On the ground; I contacted ATC to ask them about the lighting and they assured me that the 24R PAPIs were on and that perhaps I was mistaken. However; on the next ATIS; the PAPIs for 24R were shown as out of service.Upon departure from LAX; we noted that the PAPIs for 24L were indeed on as we began our takeoff roll.I believe that the PAPIs for 24L should be turned off if no GS guidance is being given for 24R to avoid giving pilots erroneous information even if all appropriate NOTAMS are posted. It sets a pilot up for a long landing outside of the touchdown zone if you mistakenly follow the only GS guidance visually available.
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