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Attributes | |
ACN | 135347 |
Time | |
Date | 199001 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3500 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 artcc : zdc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 9300 flight time type : 6100 |
ASRS Report | 135347 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 220 |
ASRS Report | 135600 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 4800 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure Operational Error |
Narrative:
Departed ewr from runway 4L. Turned to a 060 degree heading as per the departure, climbing to 2500'. Checked in with departure control and were cleared to 8000'. Passing approximately 3300' saw an large transport at our 12:30 position coming toward us making a left turn. We took no evasive action as I could see he would pass off our right side. Asked the controller for the TRACON phone number and also for information on the large transport. Upon reaching cmh, I called the TRACON watch supervisor. He told us the large transport was at 4000' and had been given a westerly heading from lga, and was to be given a turn to the south, ultimately to land on runway 4 at lga. I also requested the phone number of quality assurance at the TRACON. The next day I called quality assurance and was told our minimum lateral separation was 8/10 of a mi and vertical separation was 700'. At some point when our lateral separation was near .8 mi, our vertical separation was less than 700' because we climbed through the large transport's altitude of 4000. Quality assurance also assured me neither pilot was at fault, and the controller should have given us a turn to the west sooner, and also should have given the large transport a turn to the south sooner.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DEP ACR CAME IN CLOSE PROX TO AN ARR ACR RESULTING IN LESS THAN STANDARD SEPARATION.
Narrative: DEPARTED EWR FROM RWY 4L. TURNED TO A 060 DEG HDG AS PER THE DEP, CLIMBING TO 2500'. CHECKED IN WITH DEP CTL AND WERE CLRED TO 8000'. PASSING APPROX 3300' SAW AN LGT AT OUR 12:30 POSITION COMING TOWARD US MAKING A LEFT TURN. WE TOOK NO EVASIVE ACTION AS I COULD SEE HE WOULD PASS OFF OUR RIGHT SIDE. ASKED THE CTLR FOR THE TRACON PHONE NUMBER AND ALSO FOR INFO ON THE LGT. UPON REACHING CMH, I CALLED THE TRACON WATCH SUPVR. HE TOLD US THE LGT WAS AT 4000' AND HAD BEEN GIVEN A WESTERLY HDG FROM LGA, AND WAS TO BE GIVEN A TURN TO THE SOUTH, ULTIMATELY TO LAND ON RWY 4 AT LGA. I ALSO REQUESTED THE PHONE NUMBER OF QUALITY ASSURANCE AT THE TRACON. THE NEXT DAY I CALLED QUALITY ASSURANCE AND WAS TOLD OUR MINIMUM LATERAL SEPARATION WAS 8/10 OF A MI AND VERTICAL SEPARATION WAS 700'. AT SOME POINT WHEN OUR LATERAL SEPARATION WAS NEAR .8 MI, OUR VERTICAL SEPARATION WAS LESS THAN 700' BECAUSE WE CLIMBED THROUGH THE LGT'S ALT OF 4000. QUALITY ASSURANCE ALSO ASSURED ME NEITHER PLT WAS AT FAULT, AND THE CTLR SHOULD HAVE GIVEN US A TURN TO THE WEST SOONER, AND ALSO SHOULD HAVE GIVEN THE LGT A TURN TO THE SOUTH SOONER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.