Confusion about SID instructions for air carrier large transport flight crew departing lga.

Attributes
ACN	139129
Time
Date	199003
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lga
State Reference	NY
Altitude	msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1900
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : n90 tower : lgb
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : initial climbout : intermediate altitude
Route In Use	departure sid : sid
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 5235 flight time type : 240
ASRS Report	139129
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

A discussion and review of our clearance was done after receiving it. There was some confusion as to what climb to use after departure from runway 13 at lga. That was cleared up and we taxiied out. When #1 for takeoff I initiated a review of the climb sequence, the same confusion arose once again. After departure a 175 degree heading is required until lga 3 DME or 1500', at which time a left turn is to be initiated to a 040 degree heading. Our turn was not initiated until approximately 1900' MSL which put us into jfk airspace. We were advised to continue our turn to 360 degree to clear jfk airspace. The factors which contributed were the discussion about the whitestone and cooney climbs which are entirely different procedures. The noise abatement procedures for the air carrier large transport for this climb along with the heading change requirement make it rather complicated unless very familiar with the procedure.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: CONFUSION ABOUT SID INSTRUCTIONS FOR ACR LGT FLT CREW DEPARTING LGA.

Narrative: A DISCUSSION AND REVIEW OF OUR CLRNC WAS DONE AFTER RECEIVING IT. THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHAT CLB TO USE AFTER DEP FROM RWY 13 AT LGA. THAT WAS CLRED UP AND WE TAXIIED OUT. WHEN #1 FOR TKOF I INITIATED A REVIEW OF THE CLB SEQUENCE, THE SAME CONFUSION AROSE ONCE AGAIN. AFTER DEP A 175 DEG HDG IS REQUIRED UNTIL LGA 3 DME OR 1500', AT WHICH TIME A L TURN IS TO BE INITIATED TO A 040 DEG HDG. OUR TURN WAS NOT INITIATED UNTIL APPROX 1900' MSL WHICH PUT US INTO JFK AIRSPACE. WE WERE ADVISED TO CONTINUE OUR TURN TO 360 DEG TO CLR JFK AIRSPACE. THE FACTORS WHICH CONTRIBUTED WERE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE WHITESTONE AND COONEY CLBS WHICH ARE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PROCS. THE NOISE ABATEMENT PROCS FOR THE ACR LGT FOR THIS CLB ALONG WITH THE HDG CHANGE REQUIREMENT MAKE IT RATHER COMPLICATED UNLESS VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROC.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.