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Attributes | |
ACN | 140806 |
Time | |
Date | 199003 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ldj |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 2 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff cruise other |
Route In Use | approach : visual departure other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 4800 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 140806 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I have done virtually all of my IFR flying to and from low density airports, and it is my custom when beginning an IFR flight, in VFR WX, from an uncontrolled airport, to take off and depart VFR, with intention to pick up the IFR clearance from ATC after takeoff. This procedure was not well received at new york ('we don't do it that way here!' -- ny departure). Consequently I needed to maintain VFR flight and avoid the TCA for longer than I had anticipated. No real problem, but it strikes me that no information source exists to warn the rural pilot of procedural differences of this sort at busy TCA's.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT INCURS THE WRATH OF DEP CTLR WHEN REQUESTING AN IFR CLRNC AFTER DEP FROM ARPT VERY NEAR TCA.
Narrative: I HAVE DONE VIRTUALLY ALL OF MY IFR FLYING TO AND FROM LOW DENSITY ARPTS, AND IT IS MY CUSTOM WHEN BEGINNING AN IFR FLT, IN VFR WX, FROM AN UNCONTROLLED ARPT, TO TAKE OFF AND DEPART VFR, WITH INTENTION TO PICK UP THE IFR CLRNC FROM ATC AFTER TKOF. THIS PROC WAS NOT WELL RECEIVED AT NEW YORK ('WE DON'T DO IT THAT WAY HERE!' -- NY DEP). CONSEQUENTLY I NEEDED TO MAINTAIN VFR FLT AND AVOID THE TCA FOR LONGER THAN I HAD ANTICIPATED. NO REAL PROBLEM, BUT IT STRIKES ME THAT NO INFO SOURCE EXISTS TO WARN THE RURAL PLT OF PROCEDURAL DIFFERENCES OF THIS SORT AT BUSY TCA'S.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.