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Attributes | |
ACN | 1523008 |
Time | |
Date | 201803 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZTL.ARTCC |
State Reference | GA |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Cruise |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Enroute |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Experience | Air Traffic Control Time Certified In Pos 1 (yrs) 6 |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Airspace Violation All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy |
Miss Distance | Vertical 0 |
Narrative:
Ckv (north of gun airspace where I was working) handed me two aircraft both level at FL390 about 15 miles adjacent from each other on similar routes both crossing szw at the same time. The aircraft would meet prior to around lgc. I called ckv and said I'm being sarcastic but serious at the same time so please don't take this personal; you do know that those two aircraft at the same altitude won't work right? The controller replied to me that the conflict would happen more than 8 miles out of his airspace so it wasn't an issue for him but I could have control. I do not understand the mentality of any controller that as long as it's not their issue then it's not an issue. Where is the safety in that? I took his response as to say I am a controller who doesn't care about anyone or anything outside of my airspace and that bothers me knowing that our highest priority is safety. He didn't know what type of traffic situations were created by his laziness and disregard. It's hard to suggest what can really be done when the culture of ATC has changed and evolved so much to where controllers don't feel the need to look outside of their airspace and not to take things personally when someone points out areas that they may be wrong in. If anything add a note in the 7110.65 regarding situations similar to this or add it to the professional standards in recurrent training. I am curious as to where the mindset came from. Where is the 8 mile rule written?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZTL Center Controller reported another Controller handed off aircraft that would soon be in conflict; but had a lack of concern for the conflict as it would occur outside the responsible airspace.
Narrative: CKV (north of GUN airspace where I was working) handed me two aircraft both level at FL390 about 15 miles adjacent from each other on similar routes both crossing SZW at the same time. The aircraft would meet prior to around LGC. I called CKV and said I'm being sarcastic but serious at the same time so please don't take this personal; you do know that those two aircraft at the same altitude won't work right? The controller replied to me that the conflict would happen more than 8 miles out of his airspace so it wasn't an issue for him but I could have control. I do not understand the mentality of any controller that as long as it's not their issue then it's not an issue. Where is the safety in that? I took his response as to say I am a controller who doesn't care about anyone or anything outside of my airspace and that bothers me knowing that our highest priority is safety. He didn't know what type of traffic situations were created by his laziness and disregard. It's hard to suggest what can really be done when the culture of ATC has changed and evolved so much to where controllers don't feel the need to look outside of their airspace and not to take things personally when someone points out areas that they may be wrong in. If anything add a note in the 7110.65 regarding situations similar to this or add it to the professional standards in recurrent training. I am curious as to where the mindset came from. Where is the 8 mile rule written?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.