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Attributes | |
ACN | 1538747 |
Time | |
Date | 201804 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201-1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | BWI.Airport |
State Reference | MD |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Landing Final Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Person 1 | |
Function | Captain Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Procedural Other / Unknown Inflight Event / Encounter Unstabilized Approach |
Narrative:
Tower requested if we could take a turn to the final approach fix (FAF) then a short final visual approach. We were on a heading and at 2000 feet. We agreed. The controller had us at 180 knots and turned us inside (not to) the FAF and cleared us for the visual approach. Needless to say it was chaotic; but safe. We probably should have denied the request; especially because it was at night; but we knew we could do it safely but very rushed. Reminds me of old school slam dunks; and we know now the longer way is just plain more safe. This is twice in two approaches into this airport that a controller slammed dunked us onto final. Last time we were coming from the north and they cleared us from 7000 feet directly onto final.the only reason we made it was because we were slightly ready by being slow and having flaps out; and we immediately put gear down. Both times we were on the edge of going around but became stable within parameters. Point being; both approaches could have been much more safe and steady with some pre planning on the controllers part. I'm writing this to hopefully encourage them to work with us a little more; and not need us to push planes and pilots to full capacity to comply with their requests. I am certain I won't accept a visual approach at night if they ever turn us inside the FAF again; and doubtful I'd take that slam dunk either. It seems like by us complying with requests; it is encouraging them continue to ask us to operate in not the safest way.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 Captain reported being vectored inside of the FAF and at too high an altitude for a Visual Approach.
Narrative: Tower requested if we could take a turn to the Final Approach Fix (FAF) then a short final visual approach. We were on a heading and at 2000 feet. We agreed. The controller had us at 180 knots and turned us inside (not to) the FAF and cleared us for the Visual Approach. Needless to say it was chaotic; but safe. We probably should have denied the request; especially because it was at night; but we knew we could do it safely but very rushed. Reminds me of old school slam dunks; and we know now the longer way is just plain more safe. This is twice in two approaches into this airport that a controller slammed dunked us onto final. Last time we were coming from the north and they cleared us from 7000 feet directly onto final.The only reason we made it was because we were slightly ready by being slow and having flaps out; and we immediately put gear down. Both times we were on the edge of going around but became stable within parameters. Point being; both approaches could have been much more safe and steady with some pre planning on the controllers part. I'm writing this to hopefully encourage them to work with us a little more; and not need us to push planes and pilots to full capacity to comply with their requests. I am certain I won't accept a Visual Approach at night if they ever turn us inside the FAF again; and doubtful I'd take that slam dunk either. It seems like by us complying with requests; it is encouraging them continue to ask us to operate in not the safest way.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.