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Attributes | |
ACN | 156663 |
Time | |
Date | 199009 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mdw |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 12000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : zau |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7800 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 156663 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 622 flight time type : 93 |
ASRS Report | 157045 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Routine charter flight form sjc-tvl-mdw. A pre-departure WX briefing was conducted prior to departing sjc. Briefing was made with oak FSS. During briefing I requested NOTAMS for both tvl and mdw. Briefer stated several NOTAMS which affected mdw runways and navaids. There was no mention of arrival slot program in effect at mdw for our proposed arrival time. I checked my charts to see of mdw was listed as a reservation airport. Mdw was not listed as having a slot program in effect. Upon our arrival in the mdw area, chicago ARTCC asked us if we had a reservation for mdw. We stated it was our understanding that a reservation was not required. Center stated there was a program in effect but allowed us to continue to and land at mdw. I called chicago center on the phone after our arrival and they stated the slot program was not an ongoing program but only in effect when conditions in the area required it. Center gave me an 800 number for future use and stated their slot program was covered by class ii NOTAMS. My question is why after specifically trying to determine if a slot program was in effect through FSS I was not so advised. My recommendation is that the NOTAM system be changed so that when a pilot requests NOTAMS 100 or 1000 mi away he can receive all NOTAMS concerning that airport from his local FSS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT SJC TO MDW WAS BRIEFED BY OAK FSS. UPON ARRIVING IN MDW AREA CTLR ASKED IF THEY HAD A SLOT AS SLOT ARRIVAL RESERVATION WAS REQUIRED WITH PROGRAM IN EFFECT.
Narrative: ROUTINE CHARTER FLT FORM SJC-TVL-MDW. A PRE-DEP WX BRIEFING WAS CONDUCTED PRIOR TO DEPARTING SJC. BRIEFING WAS MADE WITH OAK FSS. DURING BRIEFING I REQUESTED NOTAMS FOR BOTH TVL AND MDW. BRIEFER STATED SEVERAL NOTAMS WHICH AFFECTED MDW RWYS AND NAVAIDS. THERE WAS NO MENTION OF ARR SLOT PROGRAM IN EFFECT AT MDW FOR OUR PROPOSED ARR TIME. I CHKED MY CHARTS TO SEE OF MDW WAS LISTED AS A RESERVATION ARPT. MDW WAS NOT LISTED AS HAVING A SLOT PROGRAM IN EFFECT. UPON OUR ARR IN THE MDW AREA, CHICAGO ARTCC ASKED US IF WE HAD A RESERVATION FOR MDW. WE STATED IT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT A RESERVATION WAS NOT REQUIRED. CTR STATED THERE WAS A PROGRAM IN EFFECT BUT ALLOWED US TO CONTINUE TO AND LAND AT MDW. I CALLED CHICAGO CTR ON THE PHONE AFTER OUR ARR AND THEY STATED THE SLOT PROGRAM WAS NOT AN ONGOING PROGRAM BUT ONLY IN EFFECT WHEN CONDITIONS IN THE AREA REQUIRED IT. CTR GAVE ME AN 800 NUMBER FOR FUTURE USE AND STATED THEIR SLOT PROGRAM WAS COVERED BY CLASS II NOTAMS. MY QUESTION IS WHY AFTER SPECIFICALLY TRYING TO DETERMINE IF A SLOT PROGRAM WAS IN EFFECT THROUGH FSS I WAS NOT SO ADVISED. MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE NOTAM SYS BE CHANGED SO THAT WHEN A PLT REQUESTS NOTAMS 100 OR 1000 MI AWAY HE CAN RECEIVE ALL NOTAMS CONCERNING THAT ARPT FROM HIS LCL FSS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.