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Attributes | |
ACN | 159547 |
Time | |
Date | 199010 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : nbe |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw tower : ord |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military Trainer |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : military |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 1965 flight time type : 935 |
ASRS Report | 159547 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : military |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : military |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Dallas ft worth requested and required departure instructions of 'climb and maintain 4000' by 2 DME for traffic.' although this is a somewhat unusual departure instruction my squadron had received this instruction and complied with it a couple of times in the past week. I elected to take the departure and in complying, ended up with a 40 degree nose up climb attitude and a 50-60 degree angle of bank unloaded recovery. Although this maneuver is no problem performance wise, it could be perceived as acrobatic flight in a control zone. My commanding officer is informing dfw that we will no longer accept this departure instruction for the above reasons.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MIL PLT REPORTER QUESTIONS DEP CLRNC TO CLIMB TO 4000' WITHIN 2 MI FROM ARPT. REPORTER THINKS THIS MIGHT BE PERCEIVED AS ACROBATIC FLT.
Narrative: DALLAS FT WORTH REQUESTED AND REQUIRED DEP INSTRUCTIONS OF 'CLB AND MAINTAIN 4000' BY 2 DME FOR TFC.' ALTHOUGH THIS IS A SOMEWHAT UNUSUAL DEP INSTRUCTION MY SQUADRON HAD RECEIVED THIS INSTRUCTION AND COMPLIED WITH IT A COUPLE OF TIMES IN THE PAST WEEK. I ELECTED TO TAKE THE DEP AND IN COMPLYING, ENDED UP WITH A 40 DEG NOSE UP CLB ATTITUDE AND A 50-60 DEG ANGLE OF BANK UNLOADED RECOVERY. ALTHOUGH THIS MANEUVER IS NO PROB PERFORMANCE WISE, IT COULD BE PERCEIVED AS ACROBATIC FLT IN A CTL ZONE. MY COMMANDING OFFICER IS INFORMING DFW THAT WE WILL NO LONGER ACCEPT THIS DEP INSTRUCTION FOR THE ABOVE REASONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.