Air carrier medium large transport first officer writes that transition from har VOR to approach for...

Attributes
ACN	167504
Time
Date	199101
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : har
State Reference	PA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : har
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	enroute other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 2800
ASRS Report	167504
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Chart Or Publication
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Upon contact with har approach, we were given clearance for approach via har transition to join the ILS 13 to mdt. We advised the controller that our commercial chart for ILS 13 to mdt. Did not include a transition from the har VOR. The controller advised us that his NOAA chart had this transition published. His chart showed amendment 9 and so did our chart, but both revision dates on the charts differed. The controller then gave us a clearance to fly a 120 degree heading after passing the har VOR to join the localizer 13 and to descend to 4000', and when established on the localizer for runway 13, we were cleared for the straight in ILS 13 approach to mdt. We were also advised that the terminal radar for mdt was inoperative. The approach and landing were completed with incident. Callback conversation with commercial chart supplier, to discuss difference between NOAA and commercial chart for har ILS runway 13 approach, revealed the following: there are 2 apparent differences, the first being the transition from the har VORTAC to the enola LOM, and the second being the missed approach procedure. The contact at the commercial chart company referred to the latest fdc NOTAM, which indicates that the transition is not available. The NOTAM also outlines the missed approach procedure, which is in agreement with the commercial chart procedure, and at variance with the NOAA published procedure. Another discussion between ASRS staff and NOAA staff indicates that the NOAA staff feel they have the current information. Examination of the fdc NOTAM publication indicates the possibility that they do not.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG FO WRITES THAT TRANSITION FROM HAR VOR TO APCH FOR ILS RWY 13 AT HAR AS INDICATED ON THE NOAA CHART IS MISSING ON COMMERCIAL CHART.

Narrative: UPON CONTACT WITH HAR APCH, WE WERE GIVEN CLRNC FOR APCH VIA HAR TRANSITION TO JOIN THE ILS 13 TO MDT. WE ADVISED THE CTLR THAT OUR COMMERCIAL CHART FOR ILS 13 TO MDT. DID NOT INCLUDE A TRANSITION FROM THE HAR VOR. THE CTLR ADVISED US THAT HIS NOAA CHART HAD THIS TRANSITION PUBLISHED. HIS CHART SHOWED AMENDMENT 9 AND SO DID OUR CHART, BUT BOTH REVISION DATES ON THE CHARTS DIFFERED. THE CTLR THEN GAVE US A CLRNC TO FLY A 120 DEG HDG AFTER PASSING THE HAR VOR TO JOIN THE LOC 13 AND TO DSND TO 4000', AND WHEN ESTABLISHED ON THE LOC FOR RWY 13, WE WERE CLRED FOR THE STRAIGHT IN ILS 13 APCH TO MDT. WE WERE ALSO ADVISED THAT THE TERMINAL RADAR FOR MDT WAS INOP. THE APCH AND LNDG WERE COMPLETED WITH INCIDENT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH COMMERCIAL CHART SUPPLIER, TO DISCUSS DIFFERENCE BTWN NOAA AND COMMERCIAL CHART FOR HAR ILS RWY 13 APCH, REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THERE ARE 2 APPARENT DIFFERENCES, THE FIRST BEING THE TRANSITION FROM THE HAR VORTAC TO THE ENOLA LOM, AND THE SECOND BEING THE MISSED APCH PROC. THE CONTACT AT THE COMMERCIAL CHART COMPANY REFERRED TO THE LATEST FDC NOTAM, WHICH INDICATES THAT THE TRANSITION IS NOT AVAILABLE. THE NOTAM ALSO OUTLINES THE MISSED APCH PROC, WHICH IS IN AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMERCIAL CHART PROC, AND AT VARIANCE WITH THE NOAA PUBLISHED PROC. ANOTHER DISCUSSION BTWN ASRS STAFF AND NOAA STAFF INDICATES THAT THE NOAA STAFF FEEL THEY HAVE THE CURRENT INFO. EXAMINATION OF THE FDC NOTAM PUBLICATION INDICATES THE POSSIBILITY THAT THEY DO NOT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Air carrier medium large transport first officer writes that transition from har VOR to approach for ILS runway 13 at har as indicated on the NOAA chart is missing on commercial chart.