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Attributes | |
ACN | 171242 |
Time | |
Date | 199102 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : psp |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7500 msl bound upper : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : psp tower : pdx |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 3200 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 171242 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 200 vertical : 50 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
En route VFR from cno to tus altitude 7500' just east of psp VOR in level flight squawking discrete code in radar. Location contact confirmed by ATC on hearing of small transport Y departing bermuda dunes, I asked psp approach controller specifically to keep me advised, as conversation on frequency (126.7) implied small transport Y climbing toward me. Small transport Y pilot advised he had traffic 12 O'clock X mi at 7500', opp direction. I queried controller 'do I have traffic' 2 times. He replied 'traffic no factor'. The controller advised small transport Y pilot urgently 'turn right 20 degree, no 30 degrees traffic avoidance.' small transport Y appeared with lights on (daylight) approximately 3/4 mi approximately 150-200' higher (controller said 8000') approximately 50-75' to left of my course. Hen I told controller that sep was too close, he angrily retorted we don't have to provide VFR sep. Squawk 1200, frequency change approved. TRSA is for radar service. We almost lost two aircraft, how many lives? Due to an obviously immature and poorly trained and supervised controller that day. We don't spend billions for that either.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA VFR SAYS HAD NMAC WITH IFR SMT NEAR PSP. SAYS POOR ATC.
Narrative: ENRTE VFR FROM CNO TO TUS ALT 7500' JUST E OF PSP VOR IN LEVEL FLT SQUAWKING DISCRETE CODE IN RADAR. LOCATION CONTACT CONFIRMED BY ATC ON HEARING OF SMT Y DEPARTING BERMUDA DUNES, I ASKED PSP APCH CTLR SPECIFICALLY TO KEEP ME ADVISED, AS CONVERSATION ON FREQ (126.7) IMPLIED SMT Y CLBING TOWARD ME. SMT Y PLT ADVISED HE HAD TFC 12 O'CLOCK X MI AT 7500', OPP DIRECTION. I QUERIED CTLR 'DO I HAVE TFC' 2 TIMES. HE REPLIED 'TFC NO FACTOR'. THE CTLR ADVISED SMT Y PLT URGENTLY 'TURN R 20 DEG, NO 30 DEGS TFC AVOIDANCE.' SMT Y APPEARED WITH LIGHTS ON (DAYLIGHT) APPROX 3/4 MI APPROX 150-200' HIGHER (CTLR SAID 8000') APPROX 50-75' TO L OF MY COURSE. HEN I TOLD CTLR THAT SEP WAS TOO CLOSE, HE ANGRILY RETORTED WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE VFR SEP. SQUAWK 1200, FREQ CHANGE APPROVED. TRSA IS FOR RADAR SVC. WE ALMOST LOST TWO ACFT, HOW MANY LIVES? DUE TO AN OBVIOUSLY IMMATURE AND POORLY TRAINED AND SUPERVISED CTLR THAT DAY. WE DON'T SPEND BILLIONS FOR THAT EITHER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.