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Attributes | |
ACN | 173046 |
Time | |
Date | 199103 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : iad |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : crw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 173046 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : far non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 8500 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared for a visual approach to follow a Y jet for runway 12 at dulles. As Y touched down, we were about 3 1/2 mi final behind. He proceeded to use the entire 10000' of runway for rollout and exited at the end. Iad tower never asked him to expedite or take the high speed taxiway to the parallel. Due to his procrastination, our T/D was delayed until well down the runway we had to 'hold it off' until Y turned off at the end. We had the Y jet in sight throughout our landing so there was never a doubt about a collision problem, just a question about our landing or going around! Although he was certainly well in his right, I thought it was poor judgement on his part. Iad tower didn't make a comment one way or the other, no overctling here! I relearned that you have to take into consideration who you're following on approach, some carriers definitely slow things down, while others keep the speed up!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG LANDED WHILE PREVIOUS LNDG LGT STILL ON RWY.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO FOLLOW A Y JET FOR RWY 12 AT DULLES. AS Y TOUCHED DOWN, WE WERE ABOUT 3 1/2 MI FINAL BEHIND. HE PROCEEDED TO USE THE ENTIRE 10000' OF RWY FOR ROLLOUT AND EXITED AT THE END. IAD TWR NEVER ASKED HIM TO EXPEDITE OR TAKE THE HIGH SPD TXWY TO THE PARALLEL. DUE TO HIS PROCRASTINATION, OUR T/D WAS DELAYED UNTIL WELL DOWN THE RWY WE HAD TO 'HOLD IT OFF' UNTIL Y TURNED OFF AT THE END. WE HAD THE Y JET IN SIGHT THROUGHOUT OUR LNDG SO THERE WAS NEVER A DOUBT ABOUT A COLLISION PROB, JUST A QUESTION ABOUT OUR LNDG OR GOING AROUND! ALTHOUGH HE WAS CERTAINLY WELL IN HIS RIGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS POOR JUDGEMENT ON HIS PART. IAD TWR DIDN'T MAKE A COMMENT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, NO OVERCTLING HERE! I RELEARNED THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHO YOU'RE FOLLOWING ON APCH, SOME CARRIERS DEFINITELY SLOW THINGS DOWN, WHILE OTHERS KEEP THE SPD UP!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.