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Attributes | |
ACN | 173328 |
Time | |
Date | 199103 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ywg |
State Reference | MB |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ywg artcc : zoa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 173328 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On approach to landing, ATIS calling visibility 1 mi and runway 31 the active. We were cleared for ILS 31 approach (minimums were 400' RVR or 3/4 mi). At about 7 mi from the airport, approach asked us if we wanted a straight-in approach to runway 36 (CAT ii available, but not active at this time). We accepted 36. While tracking the localizer, visibility was changing rapidly from 2000' RVR-1000' RVR, and the captain expecting CAT I WX had not set up or briefed a CAT ii approach. Before crossing the marker, last reported WX was 1000' RVR. The captain chose to continue the approach to CAT I DH, even after I advised him it was illegal to pass the marker. We missed the approach. We then requested CAT ii for runway 36. We set up and briefed. Outside the marker the last reported visibility was 1000A, 800B, which was below minimums. The captain told me to continue the approach, saying that the WX was variable and he wanted to look. We made a safe and successful landing. Question: how assertive should I be? I made it clear both times this was illegal (although not unsafe). We all could be violated.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT CONTINUED APCH IN WX REPORTED BELOW ARPT MINIMUMS FOR LNDG.
Narrative: ON APCH TO LNDG, ATIS CALLING VISIBILITY 1 MI AND RWY 31 THE ACTIVE. WE WERE CLRED FOR ILS 31 APCH (MINIMUMS WERE 400' RVR OR 3/4 MI). AT ABOUT 7 MI FROM THE ARPT, APCH ASKED US IF WE WANTED A STRAIGHT-IN APCH TO RWY 36 (CAT II AVAILABLE, BUT NOT ACTIVE AT THIS TIME). WE ACCEPTED 36. WHILE TRACKING THE LOC, VISIBILITY WAS CHANGING RAPIDLY FROM 2000' RVR-1000' RVR, AND THE CAPT EXPECTING CAT I WX HAD NOT SET UP OR BRIEFED A CAT II APCH. BEFORE XING THE MARKER, LAST RPTED WX WAS 1000' RVR. THE CAPT CHOSE TO CONTINUE THE APCH TO CAT I DH, EVEN AFTER I ADVISED HIM IT WAS ILLEGAL TO PASS THE MARKER. WE MISSED THE APCH. WE THEN REQUESTED CAT II FOR RWY 36. WE SET UP AND BRIEFED. OUTSIDE THE MARKER THE LAST RPTED VISIBILITY WAS 1000A, 800B, WHICH WAS BELOW MINIMUMS. THE CAPT TOLD ME TO CONTINUE THE APCH, SAYING THAT THE WX WAS VARIABLE AND HE WANTED TO LOOK. WE MADE A SAFE AND SUCCESSFUL LNDG. QUESTION: HOW ASSERTIVE SHOULD I BE? I MADE IT CLEAR BOTH TIMES THIS WAS ILLEGAL (ALTHOUGH NOT UNSAFE). WE ALL COULD BE VIOLATED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.