During a declared emergency and while performing checklist use, first officer allowed aircraft to ge...

Attributes
ACN	183978
Time
Date	199107
Day	Sat
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : lax
State Reference	CA
Altitude	msl bound lower : 25000 msl bound upper : 25000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zla
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other
Route In Use	departure other departure sid : sid enroute airway : zla
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 8500
ASRS Report	183978
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 2000
ASRS Report	183896
Events
Anomaly	aircraft equipment problem : critical altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance
Independent Detector	aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : declared emergency other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Aircraft
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation other

Narrative:

The problem arose during climb out. Fire protection 'loop a' for engine #2 illuminated without fire warning. 'Loop B' would not test during abnormal procedure checklist. During abnormal procedure when 'loop a' selected fire warning with bell sounded. After completing engine fire checklist including firing both bottles, fire warning lights were still illuminated. I declared an emergency and requested to land at lax with crash fire rescue equipment to standby. We asked for clearance to dump fuel (48000 pounds) and descend to a lower altitude. During the descent the #1 flight attendant was advised we would be making an emergency landing and evacuate/evacuation at lax. We were cleared for a civit ii profile descent with expected 25L ILS approach with side step to 25R. A two engine approach and landing was made on runway 25L with evacuate/evacuation accomplished on taxiway 42G. I made the decision to land at lax as the most suitable airport as it appeared to be as safe as a landing at palm springs or ontario, considering time to dump fuel, surrounding terrain a very steep approach, and possibly requiring a 360 degree turn which would have involved more time. I made the decision to evacuate because the fire warning lights for the #2 engine were still illuminated and it appeared to be the safest course of action. There were no serious injuries. An altitude incursion may have occurred when descending to FL240. Supplemental information from acn 183896. I was designated to fly aircraft while captain and flight engineer performed checklist. While descending to lax, and while still charged with flying the aircraft, I allowed aircraft to climb 400 ft. Flight attendant #1 was instructed to prepare for landing and evacuate/evacuation. Flight attendants had 20 mins to prepare. Supplemental information from acn 183980. It took 3 different attempts to contact the company dispatch office. Maintenance and operations were advised on the first contact that we had a fire warning and were returning to lax. We finished the fuel dump then proceeded with the emergency landing and landing checklists. The landing was smooth at 345OOO pounds. The captain parked the aircraft on a left hand high speed turn off and the entire passengers and crew evacuated the aircraft, using the escape chutes.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: DURING A DECLARED EMER AND WHILE PERFORMING CHKLIST USE, FO ALLOWED ACFT TO GET INTO AN ALT DEV ALT EXCURSION. SUBSEQUENT INFLT ENG SHUTDOWN WITH A RETURN LAND AND ACFT EVACUATED AFTER EMER GND EQUIP CALLED OUT.

Narrative: THE PROBLEM AROSE DURING CLBOUT. FIRE PROTECTION 'LOOP A' FOR ENG #2 ILLUMINATED WITHOUT FIRE WARNING. 'LOOP B' WOULD NOT TEST DURING ABNORMAL PROC CHKLIST. DURING ABNORMAL PROC WHEN 'LOOP A' SELECTED FIRE WARNING WITH BELL SOUNDED. AFTER COMPLETING ENG FIRE CHKLIST INCLUDING FIRING BOTH BOTTLES, FIRE WARNING LIGHTS WERE STILL ILLUMINATED. I DECLARED AN EMER AND REQUESTED TO LAND AT LAX WITH CFR TO STANDBY. WE ASKED FOR CLRNC TO DUMP FUEL (48000 LBS) AND DSND TO A LOWER ALT. DURING THE DSCNT THE #1 FLT ATTENDANT WAS ADVISED WE WOULD BE MAKING AN EMER LNDG AND EVAC AT LAX. WE WERE CLRED FOR A CIVIT II PROFILE DSCNT WITH EXPECTED 25L ILS APCH WITH SIDE STEP TO 25R. A TWO ENG APCH AND LNDG WAS MADE ON RWY 25L WITH EVAC ACCOMPLISHED ON TAXIWAY 42G. I MADE THE DECISION TO LAND AT LAX AS THE MOST SUITABLE ARPT AS IT APPEARED TO BE AS SAFE AS A LNDG AT PALM SPRINGS OR ONTARIO, CONSIDERING TIME TO DUMP FUEL, SURROUNDING TERRAIN A VERY STEEP APCH, AND POSSIBLY REQUIRING A 360 DEG TURN WHICH WOULD HAVE INVOLVED MORE TIME. I MADE THE DECISION TO EVACUATE BECAUSE THE FIRE WARNING LIGHTS FOR THE #2 ENG WERE STILL ILLUMINATED AND IT APPEARED TO BE THE SAFEST COURSE OF ACTION. THERE WERE NO SERIOUS INJURIES. AN ALT INCURSION MAY HAVE OCCURRED WHEN DSNDING TO FL240. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 183896. I WAS DESIGNATED TO FLY ACFT WHILE CAPT AND FLT ENGINEER PERFORMED CHKLIST. WHILE DSNDING TO LAX, AND WHILE STILL CHARGED WITH FLYING THE ACFT, I ALLOWED ACFT TO CLB 400 FT. FLT ATTENDANT #1 WAS INSTRUCTED TO PREPARE FOR LNDG AND EVAC. FLT ATTENDANTS HAD 20 MINS TO PREPARE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 183980. IT TOOK 3 DIFFERENT ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT THE COMPANY DISPATCH OFFICE. MAINT AND OPERATIONS WERE ADVISED ON THE FIRST CONTACT THAT WE HAD A FIRE WARNING AND WERE RETURNING TO LAX. WE FINISHED THE FUEL DUMP THEN PROCEEDED WITH THE EMER LNDG AND LNDG CHKLISTS. THE LNDG WAS SMOOTH AT 345OOO LBS. THE CAPT PARKED THE ACFT ON A L HAND HIGH SPD TURN OFF AND THE ENTIRE PAXS AND CREW EVACUATED THE ACFT, USING THE ESCAPE CHUTES.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

During a declared emergency and while performing checklist use, first officer allowed aircraft to get into an altitude deviation altitude excursion. Subsequent in-flight engine shutdown with a return land and aircraft evacuated after emergency ground equipment called out.