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Attributes | |
ACN | 186195 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tri |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : tri tower : tri |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 186195 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 185718 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Vectored to approximately a 6 mi final for runway 23 at tri; approach control was anticipating a visual approach but due to restr visibility in haze we needed to intercept to localizer and proceed inbound. When we saw the runway at approximately 3 mi final we realized we were too high for a comfortable approach. We called the runway in sight when we saw it and were immediately cleared for a visual approach. Then we responded that we were 'too high and would like to do a 360 degree and try it again.' in response to that, approach control cleared us to contact tower. While I was tuning the radio the first officer (flying the aircraft) began a left turn (anticipating the low visibility, terrain in the area, left hand traffic, etc). As he started the turn I saw a small aircraft on downwind for left traffic to 23. Simultaneously the radio tuned to tower and I heard '...B start right turn immediately.' we then informed tower that we had the small aircraft in sight and would like to continue the turn for landing on runway 23. We were told to follow the aircraft (small aircraft) for a visual approach to an eventful landing on 23. Problems: approach doing us a 'favor' by vectoring us to a short final in marginal VFR no DME on the ILS facility. Late sighting of runway, so late realization of height/distance. Transfer of control from approach to tower at last min. Our starting a turn prior to full clearance from the controller. Instantaneous decisions had to be made all at the same time, it got busy! Considerations: the light aircraft did not like us turning 'toward' him. In retrospect, we would have continued on runway heading a while longer while the tower frequency was being tuned. As it was, we had the choice of either s-turning to lose altitude or doing a 360 degree turn. We chose the latter. We had been cleared the visual approach, but when told we needed a 360 approach cleared us to tower for good solid reasons. This was an extremely rare circumstance. Everything had to be in exactly the wrong place (visibility, clearance, radio, small aircraft) for this to occur. We felt that at no time was anyone in any danger. The small aircraft was in sight and being avoided. Next time it's reported 5 mi visibility and I'm landing to the southwest in hazy conditions, I'll just ask for the ILS. Please do not pursue any enforcement action against tri tower or approach. This could have happened anywhere.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX ACR MLG ON STRAIGHT IN AND GA SMA IN ATA AT TRI.
Narrative: VECTORED TO APPROX A 6 MI FINAL FOR RWY 23 AT TRI; APCH CTL WAS ANTICIPATING A VISUAL APCH BUT DUE TO RESTR VISIBILITY IN HAZE WE NEEDED TO INTERCEPT TO LOC AND PROCEED INBOUND. WHEN WE SAW THE RWY AT APPROX 3 MI FINAL WE REALIZED WE WERE TOO HIGH FOR A COMFORTABLE APCH. WE CALLED THE RWY IN SIGHT WHEN WE SAW IT AND WERE IMMEDIATELY CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH. THEN WE RESPONDED THAT WE WERE 'TOO HIGH AND WOULD LIKE TO DO A 360 DEG AND TRY IT AGAIN.' IN RESPONSE TO THAT, APCH CTL CLRED US TO CONTACT TWR. WHILE I WAS TUNING THE RADIO THE FO (FLYING THE ACFT) BEGAN A L TURN (ANTICIPATING THE LOW VISIBILITY, TERRAIN IN THE AREA, L HAND TFC, ETC). AS HE STARTED THE TURN I SAW A SMALL ACFT ON DOWNWIND FOR L TFC TO 23. SIMULTANEOUSLY THE RADIO TUNED TO TWR AND I HEARD '...B START R TURN IMMEDIATELY.' WE THEN INFORMED TWR THAT WE HAD THE SMALL ACFT IN SIGHT AND WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THE TURN FOR LNDG ON RWY 23. WE WERE TOLD TO FOLLOW THE ACFT (SMA) FOR A VISUAL APCH TO AN EVENTFUL LNDG ON 23. PROBLEMS: APCH DOING US A 'FAVOR' BY VECTORING US TO A SHORT FINAL IN MARGINAL VFR NO DME ON THE ILS FACILITY. LATE SIGHTING OF RWY, SO LATE REALIZATION OF HEIGHT/DISTANCE. TRANSFER OF CTL FROM APCH TO TWR AT LAST MIN. OUR STARTING A TURN PRIOR TO FULL CLRNC FROM THE CTLR. INSTANTANEOUS DECISIONS HAD TO BE MADE ALL AT THE SAME TIME, IT GOT BUSY! CONSIDERATIONS: THE LIGHT ACFT DID NOT LIKE US TURNING 'TOWARD' HIM. IN RETROSPECT, WE WOULD HAVE CONTINUED ON RWY HDG A WHILE LONGER WHILE THE TWR FREQ WAS BEING TUNED. AS IT WAS, WE HAD THE CHOICE OF EITHER S-TURNING TO LOSE ALT OR DOING A 360 DEG TURN. WE CHOSE THE LATTER. WE HAD BEEN CLRED THE VISUAL APCH, BUT WHEN TOLD WE NEEDED A 360 APCH CLRED US TO TWR FOR GOOD SOLID REASONS. THIS WAS AN EXTREMELY RARE CIRCUMSTANCE. EVERYTHING HAD TO BE IN EXACTLY THE WRONG PLACE (VISIBILITY, CLRNC, RADIO, SMA) FOR THIS TO OCCUR. WE FELT THAT AT NO TIME WAS ANYONE IN ANY DANGER. THE SMA WAS IN SIGHT AND BEING AVOIDED. NEXT TIME IT'S RPTED 5 MI VISIBILITY AND I'M LNDG TO THE SW IN HAZY CONDITIONS, I'LL JUST ASK FOR THE ILS. PLEASE DO NOT PURSUE ANY ENFORCEMENT ACTION AGAINST TRI TWR OR APCH. THIS COULD HAVE HAPPENED ANYWHERE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.