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Attributes | |
ACN | 187405 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mdt |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3700 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mdt |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1300 |
ASRS Report | 187405 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 150 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was flying at 4000 ft MSL receiving vectors from harrisburg approach for an ILS to runway 31 at harrisburg international airport. We were in and out of low cumulus clouds, with dense haze. We were on a northwest to north vector 8-9 mi southeast of airport and instructed to descend to 3500 ft. On autoplt, I selected 1000 FPM vertical velocity. At approximately 3700 ft, approach called with 'pop up' traffic less than a mi at 3500 ft. Return to 4000 ft. The urgency in his voice was obvious. I selected a climb on the autoplt immediately but instantly realized that it would not respond enough. I grabbed the yoke and pulled disengaging the autoplt. As we began the climb, a light aircraft passed directly underneath us from right to left. Copilot estimates 100-200 ft. Had I not overrode the autoplt, we would have collided. I called approach control on the ground and thanked them for their quick action. To my knowledge, the light aircraft was not talking to anyone, which I think he should have been, especially considering the marginal WX. Having recently started flying into harrisburg and allentown, I consider that area extremely hazardous due to the light aircraft traffic and the seemingly unprofessional manner in which they communication on the radios. Just prior to our near miss, I had requested immediate vectors from approach for clearance around another light aircraft who apparently had an improper altimeter setting and was to pass beneath us at 4500 ft with us at 5000 ft. His altitude readout indicated 5000 ft. His radio terminology included numerous circuit breaker phraseology. It would be interesting for you to review the tapes of both the initial approach control and the final controller when we had our near miss.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLOSE PROX ACR-MLG GA-SMA IN MDT TRSA.
Narrative: I WAS FLYING AT 4000 FT MSL RECEIVING VECTORS FROM HARRISBURG APCH FOR AN ILS TO RWY 31 AT HARRISBURG INTL ARPT. WE WERE IN AND OUT OF LOW CUMULUS CLOUDS, WITH DENSE HAZE. WE WERE ON A NW TO N VECTOR 8-9 MI SE OF ARPT AND INSTRUCTED TO DSND TO 3500 FT. ON AUTOPLT, I SELECTED 1000 FPM VERT VELOCITY. AT APPROX 3700 FT, APCH CALLED WITH 'POP UP' TFC LESS THAN A MI AT 3500 FT. RETURN TO 4000 FT. THE URGENCY IN HIS VOICE WAS OBVIOUS. I SELECTED A CLB ON THE AUTOPLT IMMEDIATELY BUT INSTANTLY REALIZED THAT IT WOULD NOT RESPOND ENOUGH. I GRABBED THE YOKE AND PULLED DISENGAGING THE AUTOPLT. AS WE BEGAN THE CLB, A LIGHT ACFT PASSED DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH US FROM R TO L. COPLT ESTIMATES 100-200 FT. HAD I NOT OVERRODE THE AUTOPLT, WE WOULD HAVE COLLIDED. I CALLED APCH CTL ON THE GND AND THANKED THEM FOR THEIR QUICK ACTION. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE LIGHT ACFT WAS NOT TALKING TO ANYONE, WHICH I THINK HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE MARGINAL WX. HAVING RECENTLY STARTED FLYING INTO HARRISBURG AND ALLENTOWN, I CONSIDER THAT AREA EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS DUE TO THE LIGHT ACFT TFC AND THE SEEMINGLY UNPROFESSIONAL MANNER IN WHICH THEY COM ON THE RADIOS. JUST PRIOR TO OUR NEAR MISS, I HAD REQUESTED IMMEDIATE VECTORS FROM APCH FOR CLRNC AROUND ANOTHER LIGHT ACFT WHO APPARENTLY HAD AN IMPROPER ALTIMETER SETTING AND WAS TO PASS BENEATH US AT 4500 FT WITH US AT 5000 FT. HIS ALT READOUT INDICATED 5000 FT. HIS RADIO TERMINOLOGY INCLUDED NUMEROUS CB PHRASEOLOGY. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING FOR YOU TO REVIEW THE TAPES OF BOTH THE INITIAL APCH CTL AND THE FINAL CTLR WHEN WE HAD OUR NEAR MISS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.