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Attributes | |
ACN | 187921 |
Time | |
Date | 199108 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : den tower : den artcc : zdc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach other |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 9000 |
ASRS Report | 187921 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While being vectored for visual, 26L, denver informed of air carrier mdt who would be making a visual to 26R and who was then at our 10 O'clock position. My first officer stated to TRACON that we did not have traffic in sight, our controller stated that the other aircraft had us in sight and subsequently cleared us for the visual to 26L. Shortly after calling the local controller, passing altur (LOM), I was a bit non-plussed to acquire the mdt Y at our 11 O'clock, turning base in front of us, in such a manner that he crossed directly over the front of our aircraft (visible through eyebrow windows) with a vertical separation of no more than 300 ft. From about half way through his base entry to certainly the point of our aircraft crossing the crew could not have had us in sight, although we had an eyefull! Called TRACON after landing to discuss the incident, and even though I'm aware this was a legal approach for both of us, the way it was allowed to develop was imprudent at best, and certainly unsafe in its execution by whoever was flying the mdt. In any event, I feel this procedure at den (and lax to name another) needs an audit, and I told the TRACON supervisor I did not wish to ever see a repeat of this incident with me in the cockpit.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC IN A XING TFC SITUATION DURING A VISUAL APCH PROC TO MULTIPLE RWY OP PARALLEL RWYS.
Narrative: WHILE BEING VECTORED FOR VISUAL, 26L, DENVER INFORMED OF ACR MDT WHO WOULD BE MAKING A VISUAL TO 26R AND WHO WAS THEN AT OUR 10 O'CLOCK POS. MY FO STATED TO TRACON THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TFC IN SIGHT, OUR CTLR STATED THAT THE OTHER ACFT HAD US IN SIGHT AND SUBSEQUENTLY CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL TO 26L. SHORTLY AFTER CALLING THE LCL CTLR, PASSING ALTUR (LOM), I WAS A BIT NON-PLUSSED TO ACQUIRE THE MDT Y AT OUR 11 O'CLOCK, TURNING BASE IN FRONT OF US, IN SUCH A MANNER THAT HE CROSSED DIRECTLY OVER THE FRONT OF OUR ACFT (VISIBLE THROUGH EYEBROW WINDOWS) WITH A VERT SEPARATION OF NO MORE THAN 300 FT. FROM ABOUT HALF WAY THROUGH HIS BASE ENTRY TO CERTAINLY THE POINT OF OUR ACFT XING THE CREW COULD NOT HAVE HAD US IN SIGHT, ALTHOUGH WE HAD AN EYEFULL! CALLED TRACON AFTER LNDG TO DISCUSS THE INCIDENT, AND EVEN THOUGH I'M AWARE THIS WAS A LEGAL APCH FOR BOTH OF US, THE WAY IT WAS ALLOWED TO DEVELOP WAS IMPRUDENT AT BEST, AND CERTAINLY UNSAFE IN ITS EXECUTION BY WHOEVER WAS FLYING THE MDT. IN ANY EVENT, I FEEL THIS PROC AT DEN (AND LAX TO NAME ANOTHER) NEEDS AN AUDIT, AND I TOLD THE TRACON SUPVR I DID NOT WISH TO EVER SEE A REPEAT OF THIS INCIDENT WITH ME IN THE COCKPIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.