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Attributes | |
ACN | 190136 |
Time | |
Date | 199109 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sat |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sat |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 190136 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 190228 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Leveling at assigned altitude of 5000 ft, observed VFR aircraft at 4500 ft less than 5 mi at our 2 O'clock position on TCASII display. Air carrier X was on assigned heading of 030 degree to intercept the sat 081 degree radial. Upon interception of the 081 degree radial we observed the VFR aircraft at our 3 O'clock position climbing at 4700. Range less than 2 1/2 mi. ATC had not advised us of this aircraft. As this aircraft was climbing up through our assigned altitude on the 081 degree radial (airway) that we were to make a right turn onto, I elected to maintain our current parallel course until the VFR aircraft was above our altitude. This took air carrier X across the centerline of the airway and probably close to the northern edge of the airway space before I observed that the VFR aircraft was at 5200 and climbing. At this time I started the right turn onto the airway and we were able to obtain visual contact on the aircraft. The aircraft was 200 ft above and less than a mi from air carrier X at the 1 O'clock position. We increased our rate of turn and was able to pass safely behind the VFR traffic. The TCASII system did issue an RA descend command during our turn. However, as we could safely visually pass behind the small aircraft, we remained at the assigned altitude. We later were told this was a VFR small aircraft known to the controller. I would have liked to have been advised of this aircraft and his intentions to climb through our altitude. Further, I felt that to turn my aircraft at a target shown on the TCASII display less than 3 mi range at our altitude was unsafe and a possible collision course. Had the small aircraft remained at 4500 VFR and not climbing through our altitude on our assigned course, this would have been averted. The controller needed to use more diligent separation and advisories of VFR traffic. Supplemental information from acn 190228: taking off from sat, leveled at 5000 ft runway heading 030 degree to intercept the sat 081 degree radial, VFR traffic was at our altitude and 2 mi according to the TCASII. Was not pointed out by ATC. Delayed turn till about 1 mi past radial when aircraft had climbed through our altitude by 200 ft according to TCASII, ATC insisted that we turn. Small aircraft had climbed to 5200 ft so we turned. We were then immediately placed into a conflict. Small aircraft passed within 1/2 mi and 100 ft of us. We had climbed 200-300 ft due to visual steep turn.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X NON ADHERENCE TO ATC CLRNC FAILED TO MAKE TURN ONTO AIRWAY BECAUSE OF TCASII TA HAD CONFLICT WITH SMA Y. TCASII RA NOT COMPLIED WITH BECAUSE OF SEE AND AVOID CONCEPT.
Narrative: LEVELING AT ASSIGNED ALT OF 5000 FT, OBSERVED VFR ACFT AT 4500 FT LESS THAN 5 MI AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK POS ON TCASII DISPLAY. ACR X WAS ON ASSIGNED HDG OF 030 DEG TO INTERCEPT THE SAT 081 DEG RADIAL. UPON INTERCEPTION OF THE 081 DEG RADIAL WE OBSERVED THE VFR ACFT AT OUR 3 O'CLOCK POS CLBING AT 4700. RANGE LESS THAN 2 1/2 MI. ATC HAD NOT ADVISED US OF THIS ACFT. AS THIS ACFT WAS CLBING UP THROUGH OUR ASSIGNED ALT ON THE 081 DEG RADIAL (AIRWAY) THAT WE WERE TO MAKE A R TURN ONTO, I ELECTED TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT PARALLEL COURSE UNTIL THE VFR ACFT WAS ABOVE OUR ALT. THIS TOOK ACR X ACROSS THE CENTERLINE OF THE AIRWAY AND PROBABLY CLOSE TO THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE AIRWAY SPACE BEFORE I OBSERVED THAT THE VFR ACFT WAS AT 5200 AND CLBING. AT THIS TIME I STARTED THE R TURN ONTO THE AIRWAY AND WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN VISUAL CONTACT ON THE ACFT. THE ACFT WAS 200 FT ABOVE AND LESS THAN A MI FROM ACR X AT THE 1 O'CLOCK POS. WE INCREASED OUR RATE OF TURN AND WAS ABLE TO PASS SAFELY BEHIND THE VFR TFC. THE TCASII SYS DID ISSUE AN RA DSND COMMAND DURING OUR TURN. HOWEVER, AS WE COULD SAFELY VISUALLY PASS BEHIND THE SMA, WE REMAINED AT THE ASSIGNED ALT. WE LATER WERE TOLD THIS WAS A VFR SMA KNOWN TO THE CTLR. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THIS ACFT AND HIS INTENTIONS TO CLB THROUGH OUR ALT. FURTHER, I FELT THAT TO TURN MY ACFT AT A TARGET SHOWN ON THE TCASII DISPLAY LESS THAN 3 MI RANGE AT OUR ALT WAS UNSAFE AND A POSSIBLE COLLISION COURSE. HAD THE SMA REMAINED AT 4500 VFR AND NOT CLBING THROUGH OUR ALT ON OUR ASSIGNED COURSE, THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN AVERTED. THE CTLR NEEDED TO USE MORE DILIGENT SEPARATION AND ADVISORIES OF VFR TFC. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 190228: TAKING OFF FROM SAT, LEVELED AT 5000 FT RWY HDG 030 DEG TO INTERCEPT THE SAT 081 DEG RADIAL, VFR TFC WAS AT OUR ALT AND 2 MI ACCORDING TO THE TCASII. WAS NOT POINTED OUT BY ATC. DELAYED TURN TILL ABOUT 1 MI PAST RADIAL WHEN ACFT HAD CLBED THROUGH OUR ALT BY 200 FT ACCORDING TO TCASII, ATC INSISTED THAT WE TURN. SMA HAD CLBED TO 5200 FT SO WE TURNED. WE WERE THEN IMMEDIATELY PLACED INTO A CONFLICT. SMA PASSED WITHIN 1/2 MI AND 100 FT OF US. WE HAD CLBED 200-300 FT DUE TO VISUAL STEEP TURN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.