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Attributes | |
ACN | 261599 |
Time | |
Date | 199312 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2700 msl bound upper : 3200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Xingu EMB-121 All Series |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 4700 |
ASRS Report | 261599 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The other aircraft did not maintain visual separation as it was instructed by controller. The controller did not supervise her previous clrncs nor did she stop talking long enough for listening purposes. She was overloaded for her capabilities. Air carrier X had been previously cleared for an ILS runway 25L approach and slowed to 15 KTS. Controller advised that traffic from the south had us in sight and would follow us to runway 25R. I reconfirmed that we were landing on runway 25L. Controller acknowledged. I then spotted the traffic at approximately 10 O'clock (TCASII showed it to be at 6200 descending). Air carrier Y continued closing to the 9 O'clock position in a slight left turn (I do not believe that they saw us at all, or they were just playing games). They disappeared directly on top of us and did not appear on the other side. Then the TCASII turned red with instructions to climb at the maximum rate (it never was yellow). First officer started to climb. I told him to stop because TCASII said traffic was at 3200 ft descending. We were at 2700 ft. TCASII then changed (still all red) and told us to descend at maximum rate. I told first officer to go around and to turn left (south away from runway 25R). He called for gear up , flaps 20, which I did and he turned. All this time I was trying to tell controller what was happening. Controller would not listen. Finally, TCASII returned to normal. First officer saw glimpse of air carrier Y over right side 3 O'clock as we turned left. TCASII was correct. A different controller came on radio and asked what was happening. I advised that we had had a conflict alert. He asked if we could still land. First officer said he could, so we did. On ground I talked to the approach control supervisor. We had discussion as to why I had turned left rather than hit the other aircraft. He said parallel approachs were approved. I said yes but with in trail separation I told him what I thought of his approach control.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NON ADHERENCE TO ATC CLRNC ACR X TCASII RA HAD CONFLICT WITH ACR EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN.
Narrative: THE OTHER ACFT DID NOT MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION AS IT WAS INSTRUCTED BY CTLR. THE CTLR DID NOT SUPERVISE HER PREVIOUS CLRNCS NOR DID SHE STOP TALKING LONG ENOUGH FOR LISTENING PURPOSES. SHE WAS OVERLOADED FOR HER CAPABILITIES. ACR X HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY CLRED FOR AN ILS RWY 25L APCH AND SLOWED TO 15 KTS. CTLR ADVISED THAT TFC FROM THE S HAD US IN SIGHT AND WOULD FOLLOW US TO RWY 25R. I RECONFIRMED THAT WE WERE LNDG ON RWY 25L. CTLR ACKNOWLEDGED. I THEN SPOTTED THE TFC AT APPROX 10 O'CLOCK (TCASII SHOWED IT TO BE AT 6200 DSNDING). ACR Y CONTINUED CLOSING TO THE 9 O'CLOCK POS IN A SLIGHT L TURN (I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY SAW US AT ALL, OR THEY WERE JUST PLAYING GAMES). THEY DISAPPEARED DIRECTLY ON TOP OF US AND DID NOT APPEAR ON THE OTHER SIDE. THEN THE TCASII TURNED RED WITH INSTRUCTIONS TO CLB AT THE MAX RATE (IT NEVER WAS YELLOW). FO STARTED TO CLB. I TOLD HIM TO STOP BECAUSE TCASII SAID TFC WAS AT 3200 FT DSNDING. WE WERE AT 2700 FT. TCASII THEN CHANGED (STILL ALL RED) AND TOLD US TO DSND AT MAX RATE. I TOLD FO TO GAR AND TO TURN L (S AWAY FROM RWY 25R). HE CALLED FOR GEAR UP , FLAPS 20, WHICH I DID AND HE TURNED. ALL THIS TIME I WAS TRYING TO TELL CTLR WHAT WAS HAPPENING. CTLR WOULD NOT LISTEN. FINALLY, TCASII RETURNED TO NORMAL. FO SAW GLIMPSE OF ACR Y OVER R SIDE 3 O'CLOCK AS WE TURNED L. TCASII WAS CORRECT. A DIFFERENT CTLR CAME ON RADIO AND ASKED WHAT WAS HAPPENING. I ADVISED THAT WE HAD HAD A CONFLICT ALERT. HE ASKED IF WE COULD STILL LAND. FO SAID HE COULD, SO WE DID. ON GND I TALKED TO THE APCH CTL SUPVR. WE HAD DISCUSSION AS TO WHY I HAD TURNED L RATHER THAN HIT THE OTHER ACFT. HE SAID PARALLEL APCHS WERE APPROVED. I SAID YES BUT WITH IN TRAIL SEPARATION I TOLD HIM WHAT I THOUGHT OF HIS APCH CTL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.