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Attributes | |
ACN | 191802 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sjc |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 9600 flight time type : 2920 |
ASRS Report | 191802 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
We departed the ramp with our takeoff data indicating we would be close to maximum ramp weight and/or maximum takeoff weight. However, we didn't have our final passenger count or our final zero fuel weight. After a delay we received our final load close out. The zero fuel weight had been revised upward due to increased passenger load. When we added our ramp departure fuel weight to the actual zero fuel weight we discovered that we had taxied at a weight of 150700 pounds which was 200 pounds over the maximum ramp taxi weight. We notified maintenance and returned to the gate where the necessary inspections were completed. We then redeparted. One way to avoid this problem would be to remain at the gate until final numbers are received. This is probably operationally unacceptable. The only other way is for someone (load agent or crew) to monitor the situation very closely and not allow the aircraft to move until they can be assured the maximum weights aren't exceeded.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG RETURNS TO RAMP AFTER ACAR INFO REVEALS TAHT ACFT IS 200 POUNDS OVER MAX TAXI WT.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED THE RAMP WITH OUR TKOF DATA INDICATING WE WOULD BE CLOSE TO MAX RAMP WT AND/OR MAX TKOF WT. HOWEVER, WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR FINAL PAX COUNT OR OUR FINAL ZERO FUEL WT. AFTER A DELAY WE RECEIVED OUR FINAL LOAD CLOSE OUT. THE ZERO FUEL WT HAD BEEN REVISED UPWARD DUE TO INCREASED PAX LOAD. WHEN WE ADDED OUR RAMP DEP FUEL WT TO THE ACTUAL ZERO FUEL WT WE DISCOVERED THAT WE HAD TAXIED AT A WT OF 150700 POUNDS WHICH WAS 200 POUNDS OVER THE MAX RAMP TAXI WT. WE NOTIFIED MAINT AND RETURNED TO THE GATE WHERE THE NECESSARY INSPECTIONS WERE COMPLETED. WE THEN REDEPARTED. ONE WAY TO AVOID THIS PROBLEM WOULD BE TO REMAIN AT THE GATE UNTIL FINAL NUMBERS ARE RECEIVED. THIS IS PROBABLY OPERATIONALLY UNACCEPTABLE. THE ONLY OTHER WAY IS FOR SOMEONE (LOAD AGENT OR CREW) TO MONITOR THE SITUATION VERY CLOSELY AND NOT ALLOW THE ACFT TO MOVE UNTIL THEY CAN BE ASSURED THE MAX WTS AREN'T EXCEEDED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.