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Attributes | |
ACN | 191869 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1600 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 7240 flight time type : 440 |
ASRS Report | 191869 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
During climb out from sfo on the offshore 1 SID, bay departure issued us a heading of 120 degree to intercept the pye 151 radial and continue on the rzs transition. It was only as we continued our turn to 120 degree that we both realized that we were crossing the 130 (approximately) of pye. Continuing to a heading of 120 as assigned would take on a diverging course away from the 151 degree pye as depicted on the SID. Simultaneously, as we discovered this discrepancy bay departure asked us if we 'weren't assigned a heading of 210 degree to intercept pye 151 degree radial?' I responded 'no sir, you gave us heading 120 degree to intercept.' bay departure then responded, 'I gave you heading 210 degree to intercept the point reyes 151 degree radial, track outbound and resume the san marcus transition. Turn right now to 210 degree to intercept pye 151 degree.' both the captain and I, heard, understood, and read back bay departures initial 120 degree heading. I believe had we both been more familiar with the offshore 1 departure and our relationship to point reyes, we would have queried bay departures assigned heading of 120 degree, and discovered the controller's mistake much sooner. More verbalization in the cockpit may aid in this matter. As a final result of ATC's misstated vector, no conflict with other traffic occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG TRACK HDG DEV ON SID WITH VECTOR OUT OF SFO.
Narrative: DURING CLBOUT FROM SFO ON THE OFFSHORE 1 SID, BAY DEP ISSUED US A HDG OF 120 DEG TO INTERCEPT THE PYE 151 RADIAL AND CONTINUE ON THE RZS TRANSITION. IT WAS ONLY AS WE CONTINUED OUR TURN TO 120 DEG THAT WE BOTH REALIZED THAT WE WERE XING THE 130 (APPROX) OF PYE. CONTINUING TO A HDG OF 120 AS ASSIGNED WOULD TAKE ON A DIVERGING COURSE AWAY FROM THE 151 DEG PYE AS DEPICTED ON THE SID. SIMULTANEOUSLY, AS WE DISCOVERED THIS DISCREPANCY BAY DEP ASKED US IF WE 'WEREN'T ASSIGNED A HDG OF 210 DEG TO INTERCEPT PYE 151 DEG RADIAL?' I RESPONDED 'NO SIR, YOU GAVE US HDG 120 DEG TO INTERCEPT.' BAY DEP THEN RESPONDED, 'I GAVE YOU HDG 210 DEG TO INTERCEPT THE POINT REYES 151 DEG RADIAL, TRACK OUTBOUND AND RESUME THE SAN MARCUS TRANSITION. TURN R NOW TO 210 DEG TO INTERCEPT PYE 151 DEG.' BOTH THE CAPT AND I, HEARD, UNDERSTOOD, AND READ BACK BAY DEPS INITIAL 120 DEG HDG. I BELIEVE HAD WE BOTH BEEN MORE FAMILIAR WITH THE OFFSHORE 1 DEP AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO POINT REYES, WE WOULD HAVE QUERIED BAY DEPS ASSIGNED HDG OF 120 DEG, AND DISCOVERED THE CTLR'S MISTAKE MUCH SOONER. MORE VERBALIZATION IN THE COCKPIT MAY AID IN THIS MATTER. AS A FINAL RESULT OF ATC'S MISSTATED VECTOR, NO CONFLICT WITH OTHER TFC OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.