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Attributes | |
ACN | 192390 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : clt |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 177 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 3700 |
ASRS Report | 192390 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 193015 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 900 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At 3500 ft, proceeding up the hudson river (as directed), when approach control (laguardia approach control 125.85) directed us to descend to 3000 ft and turn right to 040 degree. At this same time, we received a TA on the TCASII radar, indicating traffic at approximately 3 mi ahead (12 O'clock) and 900 ft below. Immediately thereafter, we received an RA directing us to 'monitor vertical speed', accompanied by vvi indicator red lights illuminated at all points below 0. We advised approach control that we were unable to descend until traffic conflict passed due to TCASII RA. He (the approach controller) said there was no traffic and that TCASII equipment should be removed from all aircraft and control be placed back where it belongs -- with ATC. Also, he indicated that we should fill out a report, that he would do the same. At this point, the TCASII conflict passed which was electronically verbalized by the TCASII. The traffic in question appeared not to be a 'ghost', remained at approximately 2600 ft MSL and passed from in front of us to behind us. We did not, however, actually see the traffic. Recommend ATC controllers be better versed on their responsibility concerning TCASII RA's. The radio transmissions from the controller in this case only added to the anxiety in the cockpit and presented him as being less than professional.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG DISPUTES DELAYS DSCNT UNTIL TCASII TFC PASSES BELOW THE ACFT. N90 CLAIMS THERE WAS NO TFC AND THAT TCASII SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM ALL ACFT AND CTL RETURNED WHERE IT BELONGS -- WITH ATC.
Narrative: AT 3500 FT, PROCEEDING UP THE HUDSON RIVER (AS DIRECTED), WHEN APCH CTL (LAGUARDIA APCH CTL 125.85) DIRECTED US TO DSND TO 3000 FT AND TURN R TO 040 DEG. AT THIS SAME TIME, WE RECEIVED A TA ON THE TCASII RADAR, INDICATING TFC AT APPROX 3 MI AHEAD (12 O'CLOCK) AND 900 FT BELOW. IMMEDIATELY THEREAFTER, WE RECEIVED AN RA DIRECTING US TO 'MONITOR VERT SPD', ACCOMPANIED BY VVI INDICATOR RED LIGHTS ILLUMINATED AT ALL POINTS BELOW 0. WE ADVISED APCH CTL THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO DSND UNTIL TFC CONFLICT PASSED DUE TO TCASII RA. HE (THE APCH CTLR) SAID THERE WAS NO TFC AND THAT TCASII EQUIP SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM ALL ACFT AND CTL BE PLACED BACK WHERE IT BELONGS -- WITH ATC. ALSO, HE INDICATED THAT WE SHOULD FILL OUT A RPT, THAT HE WOULD DO THE SAME. AT THIS POINT, THE TCASII CONFLICT PASSED WHICH WAS ELECTRONICALLY VERBALIZED BY THE TCASII. THE TFC IN QUESTION APPEARED NOT TO BE A 'GHOST', REMAINED AT APPROX 2600 FT MSL AND PASSED FROM IN FRONT OF US TO BEHIND US. WE DID NOT, HOWEVER, ACTUALLY SEE THE TFC. RECOMMEND ATC CTLRS BE BETTER VERSED ON THEIR RESPONSIBILITY CONCERNING TCASII RA'S. THE RADIO TRANSMISSIONS FROM THE CTLR IN THIS CASE ONLY ADDED TO THE ANXIETY IN THE COCKPIT AND PRESENTED HIM AS BEING LESS THAN PROFESSIONAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.