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Attributes | |
ACN | 192951 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : fis airport : cun |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cos |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : muha |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 192951 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
This was a flight from tampa, fl, to cancun, mexico. When navigating on B646 from fish hook (fis) to robin intersection, the navigation is accurate only to vinka intersection. After that, fis takes you north of the airway, even though fis shows you still on course. This has been verified by cancun (cun) DME and havana center. Upon reaching the cun 011 degree radial, the cun DME is 122 mi, 36 mi north of course. All the time, fis shows us on course. At no time could we receive merida (mio), the other end of the airway. Also, starting about 150 mi out from fis, there is another station identifier on the frequency, making it difficult to hear the fis identify. The second identify sounded like w-z-M. This is the second trip I've made to cancun and I've had this problem both times. This is my second NASA report on the subject. Perhaps this route needs to be checked. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: analyst and reporter discussed a normal error in reading butt end of needle flying out from ADF station as much as 200 mi. His company had not offered any information on variation error passing through 2 or 3 degrees of variation change. Reporter plans to discuss with his chief pilot.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF LGT NAVING BY ADF WAS ADVISED BY MUHA CENTER THEY WERE 15 MI N OF COURSE.
Narrative: THIS WAS A FLT FROM TAMPA, FL, TO CANCUN, MEXICO. WHEN NAVING ON B646 FROM FISH HOOK (FIS) TO ROBIN INTXN, THE NAV IS ACCURATE ONLY TO VINKA INTXN. AFTER THAT, FIS TAKES YOU N OF THE AIRWAY, EVEN THOUGH FIS SHOWS YOU STILL ON COURSE. THIS HAS BEEN VERIFIED BY CANCUN (CUN) DME AND HAVANA CENTER. UPON REACHING THE CUN 011 DEG RADIAL, THE CUN DME IS 122 MI, 36 MI N OF COURSE. ALL THE TIME, FIS SHOWS US ON COURSE. AT NO TIME COULD WE RECEIVE MERIDA (MIO), THE OTHER END OF THE AIRWAY. ALSO, STARTING ABOUT 150 MI OUT FROM FIS, THERE IS ANOTHER STATION IDENTIFIER ON THE FREQ, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO HEAR THE FIS IDENT. THE SECOND IDENT SOUNDED LIKE W-Z-M. THIS IS THE SECOND TRIP I'VE MADE TO CANCUN AND I'VE HAD THIS PROBLEM BOTH TIMES. THIS IS MY SECOND NASA RPT ON THE SUBJECT. PERHAPS THIS RTE NEEDS TO BE CHKED. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: ANALYST AND RPTR DISCUSSED A NORMAL ERROR IN READING BUTT END OF NEEDLE FLYING OUT FROM ADF STATION AS MUCH AS 200 MI. HIS COMPANY HAD NOT OFFERED ANY INFO ON VARIATION ERROR PASSING THROUGH 2 OR 3 DEGS OF VARIATION CHANGE. RPTR PLANS TO DISCUSS WITH HIS CHIEF PLT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.