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Attributes | |
ACN | 193075 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | controller : local |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
ASRS Report | 193075 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : departure |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified atc |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Error |
Narrative:
While working south local control at O'hare tower, air carrier X, a runway 14R departure penetrated protected airspace for arrs to runway 13C at midway airport. A subsequent loss of separation occurred between air carrier X the O'hare runway 14R departure and an aircraft Y midway arrival to runway 13C. The definition of the airspace to be protected in the O'hare 7110.65, 4-1 is unclr. Both the classroom and on-the-job training I received was incorrect. Any procedure for a runway 14R departure when the south satellite airspace for midway is required to be protected is unsafe and incorrect. Even with prior pilot compliance, a heavy jet requiring runway 14R, 13000 ft cannot be expected to, or depended upon to, complete a 50 degree turn within 2 mi of the departure end of the runway in IFR WX. Therefore any such operation is at best a gamble.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X UNCOORD PENETRATION OF AIRSPACE HAD LTSS FROM ACFT Y. SYS ERROR.
Narrative: WHILE WORKING S LCL CTL AT O'HARE TWR, ACR X, A RWY 14R DEP PENETRATED PROTECTED AIRSPACE FOR ARRS TO RWY 13C AT MIDWAY ARPT. A SUBSEQUENT LOSS OF SEPARATION OCCURRED BTWN ACR X THE O'HARE RWY 14R DEP AND AN ACFT Y MIDWAY ARR TO RWY 13C. THE DEFINITION OF THE AIRSPACE TO BE PROTECTED IN THE O'HARE 7110.65, 4-1 IS UNCLR. BOTH THE CLASSROOM AND ON-THE-JOB TRAINING I RECEIVED WAS INCORRECT. ANY PROC FOR A RWY 14R DEP WHEN THE S SATELLITE AIRSPACE FOR MIDWAY IS REQUIRED TO BE PROTECTED IS UNSAFE AND INCORRECT. EVEN WITH PRIOR PLT COMPLIANCE, A HVY JET REQUIRING RWY 14R, 13000 FT CANNOT BE EXPECTED TO, OR DEPENDED UPON TO, COMPLETE A 50 DEG TURN WITHIN 2 MI OF THE DEP END OF THE RWY IN IFR WX. THEREFORE ANY SUCH OP IS AT BEST A GAMBLE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.