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Attributes | |
ACN | 198851 |
Time | |
Date | 199201 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pom airport : ont |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 6000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ont tower : jfk |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 280 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 700 |
ASRS Report | 198851 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 198861 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departed normally, on pomona 6 as filed, was cleared to 3000 ft, then cleared to 6000 ft, heavy traffic. Departure control, ontario, was very busy. We approached pomona VOR. Ontario departure had us at 6000 as we approached over pomona. I told the captain we cannot do the pomona 6 departure 294 degree radial outbound due to our altitude (mountains straight ahead). I took up a 260- 270 heading and asked captain to tell departure we need to climb. He called. No answer, then departure got busy (very busy and could not be reached until they called us and asked us what radial we were on). I feel due to safety of flight we could not turn towards mountains at 6000 ft without clearance to climb. MSA is 6800 ft. This situation was very uncomfortable and it was a very clear day, thus if it was in IMC conditions this would have been more of a problem. The captain did contact ontario departure when we arrived in oakland. Departure stated that he was way too busy to give us a higher altitude, or something to that effect. I feel adamant towards the fact that departure should have been more aware of our situation -- an air carrier at low altitude, with mountains raising 11000 ft to the north of us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG TRACK HDG DEV ON SID OUT OF ONT.
Narrative: DEPARTED NORMALLY, ON POMONA 6 AS FILED, WAS CLRED TO 3000 FT, THEN CLRED TO 6000 FT, HVY TFC. DEP CTL, ONTARIO, WAS VERY BUSY. WE APCHED POMONA VOR. ONTARIO DEP HAD US AT 6000 AS WE APCHED OVER POMONA. I TOLD THE CAPT WE CANNOT DO THE POMONA 6 DEP 294 DEG RADIAL OUTBOUND DUE TO OUR ALT (MOUNTAINS STRAIGHT AHEAD). I TOOK UP A 260- 270 HDG AND ASKED CAPT TO TELL DEP WE NEED TO CLB. HE CALLED. NO ANSWER, THEN DEP GOT BUSY (VERY BUSY AND COULD NOT BE REACHED UNTIL THEY CALLED US AND ASKED US WHAT RADIAL WE WERE ON). I FEEL DUE TO SAFETY OF FLT WE COULD NOT TURN TOWARDS MOUNTAINS AT 6000 FT WITHOUT CLRNC TO CLB. MSA IS 6800 FT. THIS SITUATION WAS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE AND IT WAS A VERY CLR DAY, THUS IF IT WAS IN IMC CONDITIONS THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE OF A PROBLEM. THE CAPT DID CONTACT ONTARIO DEP WHEN WE ARRIVED IN OAKLAND. DEP STATED THAT HE WAS WAY TOO BUSY TO GIVE US A HIGHER ALT, OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. I FEEL ADAMANT TOWARDS THE FACT THAT DEP SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE AWARE OF OUR SITUATION -- AN ACR AT LOW ALT, WITH MOUNTAINS RAISING 11000 FT TO THE N OF US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.