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Attributes | |
ACN | 203811 |
Time | |
Date | 199203 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : iln |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cou |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | observation : observer observation : passenger |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 108 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 8 |
ASRS Report | 203811 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 43 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 72 |
ASRS Report | 204083 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | other other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was the trainee/observer on a multi-engine training flight observing another trainee's flight period awaiting my turn to fly. After conducting a 2 hour period of practice IFR approachs, the instructor cleared the student to enter left hand traffic at 2600 MSL (1500 AGL) for a no flap visual approach to runway 22 at iln. On downwind, the student asked the instructor whether this was a case where the abnormal procedures should be called for. The instructor replied that the student could consider the procedures to be complete. Passing abeam the touchdown point, the student requested to extend downwind. The instructor acted willing to accommodate at first, but demurred when the student further said he wanted to turn final at the il LOM, questioning whether this was really what he wanted to do. The student answered in the affirmative, stating he wanted to have enough room to maneuver to final. The instructor then offered the use of the localizer and GS, then took that away, saying the ILS reference would not be allowed to be used on a chkride. As the aircraft turned final, the student focused his attention on lining up as the instructor called approach control to cancel the local area IFR release. Approach released the flight to unicom advisory, and that call was made. The aircraft seemed destined for a smooth landing when we heard the alarming sound of the propeller tips contacting the runway. Upon impact the aircraft veered slightly to the left. We exited immediately, and I used the large fire extinguisher bottle to put out small fires at the tailpipe areas of both engines. None of us were seriously injured, although I have experienced some back pain. I failed to notice that the gear was not down because the instructor had indicated that he wanted to make a quick turnaround and I became very busy on short final, preparing my approach plates and notes for my flight. Supplemental information from acn 204083: with the loss of GS information I reverted to external visual cues, established myself on the VASI and slowed to my 0 flap reference speed on final. The approach continued to the landing flare with no aural warnings heard.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GEAR UP LNDG.
Narrative: I WAS THE TRAINEE/OBSERVER ON A MULTI-ENG TRAINING FLT OBSERVING ANOTHER TRAINEE'S FLT PERIOD AWAITING MY TURN TO FLY. AFTER CONDUCTING A 2 HR PERIOD OF PRACTICE IFR APCHS, THE INSTRUCTOR CLRED THE STUDENT TO ENTER L HAND TFC AT 2600 MSL (1500 AGL) FOR A NO FLAP VISUAL APCH TO RWY 22 AT ILN. ON DOWNWIND, THE STUDENT ASKED THE INSTRUCTOR WHETHER THIS WAS A CASE WHERE THE ABNORMAL PROCS SHOULD BE CALLED FOR. THE INSTRUCTOR REPLIED THAT THE STUDENT COULD CONSIDER THE PROCS TO BE COMPLETE. PASSING ABEAM THE TOUCHDOWN POINT, THE STUDENT REQUESTED TO EXTEND DOWNWIND. THE INSTRUCTOR ACTED WILLING TO ACCOMMODATE AT FIRST, BUT DEMURRED WHEN THE STUDENT FURTHER SAID HE WANTED TO TURN FINAL AT THE IL LOM, QUESTIONING WHETHER THIS WAS REALLY WHAT HE WANTED TO DO. THE STUDENT ANSWERED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, STATING HE WANTED TO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM TO MANEUVER TO FINAL. THE INSTRUCTOR THEN OFFERED THE USE OF THE LOC AND GS, THEN TOOK THAT AWAY, SAYING THE ILS REF WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BE USED ON A CHKRIDE. AS THE ACFT TURNED FINAL, THE STUDENT FOCUSED HIS ATTN ON LINING UP AS THE INSTRUCTOR CALLED APCH CTL TO CANCEL THE LCL AREA IFR RELEASE. APCH RELEASED THE FLT TO UNICOM ADVISORY, AND THAT CALL WAS MADE. THE ACFT SEEMED DESTINED FOR A SMOOTH LNDG WHEN WE HEARD THE ALARMING SOUND OF THE PROP TIPS CONTACTING THE RWY. UPON IMPACT THE ACFT VEERED SLIGHTLY TO THE L. WE EXITED IMMEDIATELY, AND I USED THE LARGE FIRE EXTINGUISHER BOTTLE TO PUT OUT SMALL FIRES AT THE TAILPIPE AREAS OF BOTH ENGS. NONE OF US WERE SERIOUSLY INJURED, ALTHOUGH I HAVE EXPERIENCED SOME BACK PAIN. I FAILED TO NOTICE THAT THE GEAR WAS NOT DOWN BECAUSE THE INSTRUCTOR HAD INDICATED THAT HE WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK TURNAROUND AND I BECAME VERY BUSY ON SHORT FINAL, PREPARING MY APCH PLATES AND NOTES FOR MY FLT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 204083: WITH THE LOSS OF GS INFO I REVERTED TO EXTERNAL VISUAL CUES, ESTABLISHED MYSELF ON THE VASI AND SLOWED TO MY 0 FLAP REF SPD ON FINAL. THE APCH CONTINUED TO THE LNDG FLARE WITH NO AURAL WARNINGS HEARD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.