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Attributes | |
ACN | 207370 |
Time | |
Date | 199204 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : abe |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4700 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : abe |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 207370 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac inflight encounter : vfr in imc non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were being vectored by abe approach control for ILS to runway 06 at abe. Approach assigned 180 degree heading and they stopped our descent at 5000 ft as we were at about 5200 ft. The reason for stopping at 5000 ft was a VFR aircraft at 4500 ft. Approach was talking to the VFR aircraft. The VFR came into view on our TCASII at about 5 mi and 11 O'clock, and approach also pointed out the VFR. The TCASII target was moving down and to the left in a manner that would pass off to our left. We continued 180 degree and 5000 ft and visually searched for the VFR. We were unable to see the VFR aircraft at any time during the incident. When he was about 2 mi away the VFR changed course toward us, and shortly thereafter the TCASII indicated the VFR was climbing! TCASII indicated he was but 300 ft lower then we when he was at about 1 mi away. TCASII displayed and sounded a RA and we climbed about 200 ft. The TCASII target passed very nearly through our symbol. I talked with the approach supervisor to tell him how it appeared from our perspective. He indicated that they saw nothing unusual, and that the VFR never acknowledged seeing us. I judge that the visibility at that point was much less then required for VFR. Regarding the TCASII: on the one hand it enabled us to know what was happening, but on the other hand in the old days I would have ask for an avoidance vector. That might not have helped since the VFR altered course toward us and climbed. It's tough to make the system work when people fly under VFR rules in IFR conditions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG ON DSCNT HAS NMAC WITH SECOND ACFT.
Narrative: WE WERE BEING VECTORED BY ABE APCH CTL FOR ILS TO RWY 06 AT ABE. APCH ASSIGNED 180 DEG HDG AND THEY STOPPED OUR DSCNT AT 5000 FT AS WE WERE AT ABOUT 5200 FT. THE REASON FOR STOPPING AT 5000 FT WAS A VFR ACFT AT 4500 FT. APCH WAS TALKING TO THE VFR ACFT. THE VFR CAME INTO VIEW ON OUR TCASII AT ABOUT 5 MI AND 11 O'CLOCK, AND APCH ALSO POINTED OUT THE VFR. THE TCASII TARGET WAS MOVING DOWN AND TO THE L IN A MANNER THAT WOULD PASS OFF TO OUR L. WE CONTINUED 180 DEG AND 5000 FT AND VISUALLY SEARCHED FOR THE VFR. WE WERE UNABLE TO SEE THE VFR ACFT AT ANY TIME DURING THE INCIDENT. WHEN HE WAS ABOUT 2 MI AWAY THE VFR CHANGED COURSE TOWARD US, AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER THE TCASII INDICATED THE VFR WAS CLBING! TCASII INDICATED HE WAS BUT 300 FT LOWER THEN WE WHEN HE WAS AT ABOUT 1 MI AWAY. TCASII DISPLAYED AND SOUNDED A RA AND WE CLBED ABOUT 200 FT. THE TCASII TARGET PASSED VERY NEARLY THROUGH OUR SYMBOL. I TALKED WITH THE APCH SUPVR TO TELL HIM HOW IT APPEARED FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. HE INDICATED THAT THEY SAW NOTHING UNUSUAL, AND THAT THE VFR NEVER ACKNOWLEDGED SEEING US. I JUDGE THAT THE VISIBILITY AT THAT POINT WAS MUCH LESS THEN REQUIRED FOR VFR. REGARDING THE TCASII: ON THE ONE HAND IT ENABLED US TO KNOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IN THE OLD DAYS I WOULD HAVE ASK FOR AN AVOIDANCE VECTOR. THAT MIGHT NOT HAVE HELPED SINCE THE VFR ALTERED COURSE TOWARD US AND CLBED. IT'S TOUGH TO MAKE THE SYS WORK WHEN PEOPLE FLY UNDER VFR RULES IN IFR CONDITIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.