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Attributes | |
ACN | 209560 |
Time | |
Date | 199205 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 1400 |
ASRS Report | 209560 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 209783 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were on radar vectors to runway 11L at msp. Simultaneous visual approachs were being conducted to 11R also. Our flight path took us left downwind to left base. We had been given a series of left turns and left on a 220 degree heading to descend to 3000 ft, traffic landing 11R was at 4000 ft. Approach control left us on the 220 degree heading too long, causing us to go through both extended ctrlines. We had the other aircraft on TCASII and visual. At this point ATC asked if we had runway 11L in sight and we turned hard left and descended for the approach. TCASII countered with a descend resolution and we continued to follow it. The other aircraft remained at 4000 ft. A post-flight telephone conversation with ATC indicated he gave us a late turn to final accompanied by too great of an intercept angle.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG SUFFERS A HDG TRACK DEV DURING RADAR VECTORING FROM TRACON APCH CTLR. POTENTIAL CONFLICT LTSS ENSUES IN THE DELAYED TURN.
Narrative: WE WERE ON RADAR VECTORS TO RWY 11L AT MSP. SIMULTANEOUS VISUAL APCHS WERE BEING CONDUCTED TO 11R ALSO. OUR FLT PATH TOOK US L DOWNWIND TO L BASE. WE HAD BEEN GIVEN A SERIES OF L TURNS AND L ON A 220 DEG HDG TO DSND TO 3000 FT, TFC LNDG 11R WAS AT 4000 FT. APCH CTL LEFT US ON THE 220 DEG HDG TOO LONG, CAUSING US TO GO THROUGH BOTH EXTENDED CTRLINES. WE HAD THE OTHER ACFT ON TCASII AND VISUAL. AT THIS POINT ATC ASKED IF WE HAD RWY 11L IN SIGHT AND WE TURNED HARD L AND DSNDED FOR THE APCH. TCASII COUNTERED WITH A DSND RESOLUTION AND WE CONTINUED TO FOLLOW IT. THE OTHER ACFT REMAINED AT 4000 FT. A POST-FLT TELEPHONE CONVERSATION WITH ATC INDICATED HE GAVE US A LATE TURN TO FINAL ACCOMPANIED BY TOO GREAT OF AN INTERCEPT ANGLE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.