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Attributes | |
ACN | 212999 |
Time | |
Date | 199206 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lmt |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8500 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : v452 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 170 |
ASRS Report | 213999 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : far other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While on an IFR training flight from rno to lmt, ZSE cleared our aircraft for the ILS approach at lmt from approximately 45 mi out. The student started the descent from FL200 and was apparently planning to descend to 8000 ft by tulip intersection (initial approach fix for ILS at lmt) and forgot about the MEA of 9000 ft for the airway. The student was descending at a high vertical rate and passed through the MEA by more than 300 ft while in VFR conditions. I was in the process of explaining the situation and correcting the problem when center called us. Center was advised that we were in VFR conditions and student misunderstood clearance and we were climbing back to 9000 ft. The student was debriefed on the situation that occurred and that he must maintain the MEA until tulip intersection, then he is allowed to descend to 8000 ft for that segment to intercept the localizer.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR TRAINING FLT, CLRED FOR APCH, DSNDS BELOW MEA PRIOR TO INITIAL APCH FIX. RETURNS TO MEA.
Narrative: WHILE ON AN IFR TRAINING FLT FROM RNO TO LMT, ZSE CLRED OUR ACFT FOR THE ILS APCH AT LMT FROM APPROX 45 MI OUT. THE STUDENT STARTED THE DSCNT FROM FL200 AND WAS APPARENTLY PLANNING TO DSND TO 8000 FT BY TULIP INTXN (INITIAL APCH FIX FOR ILS AT LMT) AND FORGOT ABOUT THE MEA OF 9000 FT FOR THE AIRWAY. THE STUDENT WAS DSNDING AT A HIGH VERT RATE AND PASSED THROUGH THE MEA BY MORE THAN 300 FT WHILE IN VFR CONDITIONS. I WAS IN THE PROCESS OF EXPLAINING THE SITUATION AND CORRECTING THE PROBLEM WHEN CTR CALLED US. CTR WAS ADVISED THAT WE WERE IN VFR CONDITIONS AND STUDENT MISUNDERSTOOD CLRNC AND WE WERE CLBING BACK TO 9000 FT. THE STUDENT WAS DEBRIEFED ON THE SITUATION THAT OCCURRED AND THAT HE MUST MAINTAIN THE MEA UNTIL TULIP INTXN, THEN HE IS ALLOWED TO DSND TO 8000 FT FOR THAT SEGMENT TO INTERCEPT THE LOC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.