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Attributes | |
ACN | 226130 |
Time | |
Date | 199211 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lgb airport : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax artcc : zan |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 260 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 226130 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
After an uneventful departure from lax we were on a vector to sna. After the cruise check had been accomplished (5000 ft MSL), the captain was getting sna's ATIS, so his head was inside the airplane. An small aircraft popped up right in front of us. The small aircraft was in a climbing left turn. Once I saw him coming up from under our nose, I and the captain pulled up approximately 5 degrees. We were at 240 KTS, we left our assigned altitude immediately. After I had recovered from the climb, we radioed lax departure that we just had a near miss and that we had to deviation from our assigned altitude. The controller said the small aircraft had just popped up on his radar, we had no warning. In the future, I think it would be a good idea if the controllers didn't expect us to get the arriving ATIS on such short busy flts. 4 eyes outside at all times are needed in the lax basin. The rest of the flight went as planned, except for a little knee-knocking.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER ACFT HAS NMAC WITH SMA AFTER DEPARTING LAX.
Narrative: AFTER AN UNEVENTFUL DEP FROM LAX WE WERE ON A VECTOR TO SNA. AFTER THE CRUISE CHK HAD BEEN ACCOMPLISHED (5000 FT MSL), THE CAPT WAS GETTING SNA'S ATIS, SO HIS HEAD WAS INSIDE THE AIRPLANE. AN SMA POPPED UP RIGHT IN FRONT OF US. THE SMA WAS IN A CLBING L TURN. ONCE I SAW HIM COMING UP FROM UNDER OUR NOSE, I AND THE CAPT PULLED UP APPROX 5 DEGS. WE WERE AT 240 KTS, WE LEFT OUR ASSIGNED ALT IMMEDIATELY. AFTER I HAD RECOVERED FROM THE CLB, WE RADIOED LAX DEP THAT WE JUST HAD A NEAR MISS AND THAT WE HAD TO DEV FROM OUR ASSIGNED ALT. THE CTLR SAID THE SMA HAD JUST POPPED UP ON HIS RADAR, WE HAD NO WARNING. IN THE FUTURE, I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF THE CTLRS DIDN'T EXPECT US TO GET THE ARRIVING ATIS ON SUCH SHORT BUSY FLTS. 4 EYES OUTSIDE AT ALL TIMES ARE NEEDED IN THE LAX BASIN. THE REST OF THE FLT WENT AS PLANNED, EXCEPT FOR A LITTLE KNEE-KNOCKING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.