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An air carrier medium large transport received both the 'laxx one' and the 'loop nine' sids from lax pre departure clearance. The 'loop' was flown.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 227988 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199212 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lax |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Night |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : lax |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Navigation In Use | Other Other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial ground : preflight |
| Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 227988 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Some confusion as to what departure said we were cleared for. Company flight plan called for 'laxx one' departure and pre departure clearance clearance received via ACARS cleared us for 'laxx one' departure but also tagged on the 'loop nine' departure out of lax. Both departures, require radar however we still question lax departure control which route they wanted us on. We received radar vectors for the 'loop nine' and complied. Pre departure clearance messages should be more specific.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR MLG RECEIVED BOTH THE 'LAXX ONE' AND THE 'LOOP NINE' SIDS FROM LAX PDC. THE 'LOOP' WAS FLOWN.
Narrative: SOME CONFUSION AS TO WHAT DEP SAID WE WERE CLRED FOR. COMPANY FLT PLAN CALLED FOR 'LAXX ONE' DEP AND PDC CLRNC RECEIVED VIA ACARS CLRED US FOR 'LAXX ONE' DEP BUT ALSO TAGGED ON THE 'LOOP NINE' DEP OUT OF LAX. BOTH DEPS, REQUIRE RADAR HOWEVER WE STILL QUESTION LAX DEP CTL WHICH RTE THEY WANTED US ON. WE RECEIVED RADAR VECTORS FOR THE 'LOOP NINE' AND COMPLIED. PDC MESSAGES SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.