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Attributes | |
ACN | 228186 |
Time | |
Date | 199212 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fll |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : hks |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 228186 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 30 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Flight landed fll runway 9L. On turnoff taxiway B, ground advised to hold short of parallel due to large transport headed wbound on taxiway. I advised ground we were not clear of runway. In fact, the front of the aircraft had not reached the hold short line. Tower then rolled an large transport Z behind us on 9L. I was stuck between being struck from the rear and being hit from the front by the aircraft on the parallel. This was a very unsafe operation. It was obvious there was no coordination between ground and local controllers. Had I been going the opposite direction and had my entire aircraft between the hold short line and the runway, I'm sure the operation would not have been tolerated and I would have been violated. No operation is so vital that it is necessary to have a parked aircraft so close to the edge of a runway. I estimated the wingtip of the large transport Z was within 30 ft of my tail -- no room for error. The local controller should have coordinated me clearing, moving across taxiway a. This would not have affected the large transport or my aircraft. Instead, ground was working on tower priority calls and left us trapped and unable to communication. Neither controller appeared to be aware of the problems of the other. Aircraft must be allowed to safely clear the active runway and should be given priority over other traffic to do so. Supervision may also be a problem. When I contacted the tower supervisor, he said he saw the entire event and indicated that he 'didn't see any problem' and obviously failed to understand my concern.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR INSTRUCTED TO HOLD FOR TAXIING TFC BTWN RWY AND PARALLEL TAXIWAY. ACFT NOT CLR RWY OR TAXIWAY IN HOLD POS.
Narrative: FLT LANDED FLL RWY 9L. ON TURNOFF TAXIWAY B, GND ADVISED TO HOLD SHORT OF PARALLEL DUE TO LGT HEADED WBOUND ON TAXIWAY. I ADVISED GND WE WERE NOT CLR OF RWY. IN FACT, THE FRONT OF THE ACFT HAD NOT REACHED THE HOLD SHORT LINE. TWR THEN ROLLED AN LGT Z BEHIND US ON 9L. I WAS STUCK BTWN BEING STRUCK FROM THE REAR AND BEING HIT FROM THE FRONT BY THE ACFT ON THE PARALLEL. THIS WAS A VERY UNSAFE OP. IT WAS OBVIOUS THERE WAS NO COORD BTWN GND AND LCL CTLRS. HAD I BEEN GOING THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND HAD MY ENTIRE ACFT BTWN THE HOLD SHORT LINE AND THE RWY, I'M SURE THE OP WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TOLERATED AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN VIOLATED. NO OP IS SO VITAL THAT IT IS NECESSARY TO HAVE A PARKED ACFT SO CLOSE TO THE EDGE OF A RWY. I ESTIMATED THE WINGTIP OF THE LGT Z WAS WITHIN 30 FT OF MY TAIL -- NO ROOM FOR ERROR. THE LCL CTLR SHOULD HAVE COORDINATED ME CLRING, MOVING ACROSS TAXIWAY A. THIS WOULD NOT HAVE AFFECTED THE LGT OR MY ACFT. INSTEAD, GND WAS WORKING ON TWR PRIORITY CALLS AND LEFT US TRAPPED AND UNABLE TO COM. NEITHER CTLR APPEARED TO BE AWARE OF THE PROBLEMS OF THE OTHER. ACFT MUST BE ALLOWED TO SAFELY CLR THE ACTIVE RWY AND SHOULD BE GIVEN PRIORITY OVER OTHER TFC TO DO SO. SUPERVISION MAY ALSO BE A PROBLEM. WHEN I CONTACTED THE TWR SUPVR, HE SAID HE SAW THE ENTIRE EVENT AND INDICATED THAT HE 'DIDN'T SEE ANY PROBLEM' AND OBVIOUSLY FAILED TO UNDERSTAND MY CONCERN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.