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Attributes | |
ACN | 230385 |
Time | |
Date | 199212 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : aqn airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 6800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : iad |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : dfw |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military Trainer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 230385 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 229021 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Handed off to dfw approach control at 9000 ft. Given 060 degree heading descent to 5000 ft. TCASII warnings progressed rapidly, starting with TA at 11 O'clock position. Still had radar display on, so not as clear a display of traffic. Only altitude difference I specifically remember was 2500 ft on climbing target. Quickly changed to RA as TCASII ordered stop of descent. Turned off 'WX' and selected TCASII display and 10 mi scale. TCASII directed climb. Captain flying, complied with TCASII commands. Conflict quickly resolved due to our climb, target passing 1-2 mi abeam, and probable corrective action by target. Asked approach control if had the traffic and advised that we had made TCASII deviation. Approach seemed unclr about traffic, then after pause, said it was MTR from carswell that had exceeded clearance. Captain was concerned that MTR might be maneuvering and might be in conflict again. I switched TCASII to 30 mi range to check MTR behind us. Got approach control to confirm that MTR was heading west. Approach control said traffic clear and thanked for our actions. We never saw the MTR. TCASII did its job well. Probably wouldn't have had collision without it, but commands assured separation. Approach control obviously didn't see the conflict until it was already resolved. This was very rapid incident. For best analysis, 3 changes of first officer display were required. Separate good sized TCASII display would make analysis of traffic conflict much easier without making multiple selections. Radar display also tends to mask and confuse TCASII display.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR HAS TCASII TA THEN RA. RESPONDS.
Narrative: HANDED OFF TO DFW APCH CTL AT 9000 FT. GIVEN 060 DEG HDG DSCNT TO 5000 FT. TCASII WARNINGS PROGRESSED RAPIDLY, STARTING WITH TA AT 11 O'CLOCK POS. STILL HAD RADAR DISPLAY ON, SO NOT AS CLR A DISPLAY OF TFC. ONLY ALT DIFFERENCE I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER WAS 2500 FT ON CLBING TARGET. QUICKLY CHANGED TO RA AS TCASII ORDERED STOP OF DSCNT. TURNED OFF 'WX' AND SELECTED TCASII DISPLAY AND 10 MI SCALE. TCASII DIRECTED CLB. CAPT FLYING, COMPLIED WITH TCASII COMMANDS. CONFLICT QUICKLY RESOLVED DUE TO OUR CLB, TARGET PASSING 1-2 MI ABEAM, AND PROBABLE CORRECTIVE ACTION BY TARGET. ASKED APCH CTL IF HAD THE TFC AND ADVISED THAT WE HAD MADE TCASII DEV. APCH SEEMED UNCLR ABOUT TFC, THEN AFTER PAUSE, SAID IT WAS MTR FROM CARSWELL THAT HAD EXCEEDED CLRNC. CAPT WAS CONCERNED THAT MTR MIGHT BE MANEUVERING AND MIGHT BE IN CONFLICT AGAIN. I SWITCHED TCASII TO 30 MI RANGE TO CHK MTR BEHIND US. GOT APCH CTL TO CONFIRM THAT MTR WAS HDG W. APCH CTL SAID TFC CLR AND THANKED FOR OUR ACTIONS. WE NEVER SAW THE MTR. TCASII DID ITS JOB WELL. PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD COLLISION WITHOUT IT, BUT COMMANDS ASSURED SEPARATION. APCH CTL OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T SEE THE CONFLICT UNTIL IT WAS ALREADY RESOLVED. THIS WAS VERY RAPID INCIDENT. FOR BEST ANALYSIS, 3 CHANGES OF FO DISPLAY WERE REQUIRED. SEPARATE GOOD SIZED TCASII DISPLAY WOULD MAKE ANALYSIS OF TFC CONFLICT MUCH EASIER WITHOUT MAKING MULTIPLE SELECTIONS. RADAR DISPLAY ALSO TENDS TO MASK AND CONFUSE TCASII DISPLAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.