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Attributes | |
ACN | 240974 |
Time | |
Date | 199305 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : amg |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 22600 msl bound upper : 23000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl tower : ewr |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : j45 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 124 flight time total : 8975 flight time type : 721 |
ASRS Report | 240974 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 600 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were in level flight at FL230, waiting for a sbound (which had been cleared to descend to FL240) to pass so we could continue our climb. We got an RA on our TCASII 'descend, descend now.' the symbol was red (plus 11) and showing a descent. TCASII was asking for 2000 FPM or greater descent. We started down out of FL230 following TCASII commands. ZTL was advised of our RA and that we were deviating. The controller answered that was cleared to FL240. At 22600 ft TCASII said 'monitor vertical speed' and allowed no climb. The PNF got the aircraft visually and advised we would miss. I was watching TCASII and never saw the aircraft. PNF estimates we missed by 600 ft vertical, 500 ft horizontal. When TCASII said 'clear of conflict' we climbed back to FL230. We advised center we were back at FL230. He asked if we had deviated. We said yes. He made no comment and handed us off. Never heard from XXX. We had a near miss -- so what happened? We followed TCASII commands and missed by estimated 600 ft. Had we done nothing we would have missed by estimated 200 ft. ZTL had provided standard separation and was no way at fault. However, it may be better technique not to climb or descend head-on traffic to achieve minimum separation exactly where other traffic will be. Our closure rate was probably over 600 KTS. The RA didn't occur until at close range. Not much time to think about it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG ACR ACFT DEVIATED FROM ASSIGNED ALT IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA.
Narrative: WE WERE IN LEVEL FLT AT FL230, WAITING FOR A SBOUND (WHICH HAD BEEN CLRED TO DSND TO FL240) TO PASS SO WE COULD CONTINUE OUR CLB. WE GOT AN RA ON OUR TCASII 'DSND, DSND NOW.' THE SYMBOL WAS RED (PLUS 11) AND SHOWING A DSCNT. TCASII WAS ASKING FOR 2000 FPM OR GREATER DSCNT. WE STARTED DOWN OUT OF FL230 FOLLOWING TCASII COMMANDS. ZTL WAS ADVISED OF OUR RA AND THAT WE WERE DEVIATING. THE CTLR ANSWERED THAT WAS CLRED TO FL240. AT 22600 FT TCASII SAID 'MONITOR VERT SPD' AND ALLOWED NO CLB. THE PNF GOT THE ACFT VISUALLY AND ADVISED WE WOULD MISS. I WAS WATCHING TCASII AND NEVER SAW THE ACFT. PNF ESTIMATES WE MISSED BY 600 FT VERT, 500 FT HORIZ. WHEN TCASII SAID 'CLR OF CONFLICT' WE CLBED BACK TO FL230. WE ADVISED CTR WE WERE BACK AT FL230. HE ASKED IF WE HAD DEVIATED. WE SAID YES. HE MADE NO COMMENT AND HANDED US OFF. NEVER HEARD FROM XXX. WE HAD A NEAR MISS -- SO WHAT HAPPENED? WE FOLLOWED TCASII COMMANDS AND MISSED BY ESTIMATED 600 FT. HAD WE DONE NOTHING WE WOULD HAVE MISSED BY ESTIMATED 200 FT. ZTL HAD PROVIDED STANDARD SEPARATION AND WAS NO WAY AT FAULT. HOWEVER, IT MAY BE BETTER TECHNIQUE NOT TO CLB OR DSND HEAD-ON TFC TO ACHIEVE MINIMUM SEPARATION EXACTLY WHERE OTHER TFC WILL BE. OUR CLOSURE RATE WAS PROBABLY OVER 600 KTS. THE RA DIDN'T OCCUR UNTIL AT CLOSE RANGE. NOT MUCH TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.