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Attributes | |
ACN | 243284 |
Time | |
Date | 199306 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : atl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller military : 6 controller radar : 11 |
ASRS Report | 243284 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
TCASII may be a bone or a blessing depending on which side of the fence you're on. I have read many articles touting how TCASII saved many aircraft from impending doom. TCASII may be a great tool in preventing accidents, but the system is only as good as the information provided by transponder equipped aircraft. The following situation occurred jun/xx/93, 20 NM from atl airport. I was working the arrival 'a' sector at atl TRACON. My workload was heavy as we were in the middle of an arrival rush. ILS approachs were in use as the visibility was poor due to the haze and the setting sun. Atl was landing on runway 26R and 27L. The final to runway 27L was out to 20 mi east of atl. My supervisor showed me a VFR target operating 20 mi ene of atl sbound. Mode C readout of this aircraft was 4000 ft. I was vectoring and descending my aircraft to 3500 ft for the approach to runway 27L. The VFR aircraft was continuing south and I issued traffic to all affected aircraft. Air carrier X was on the downwind at 7000 ft and was instructed to descend and maintain 3500 ft. I told the pilot to expedite descent to get below the VFR traffic at 4000 ft. The VFR traffic was at air carrier X's 10 O'clock position and about 10 mi. I kept updating the VFR's position to air carrier X. The situation eventually developed to a point where the VFR aircraft was at air carrier X's 10 O'clock position and 2 mi and both aircraft were indicating 4000 ft on mode C. I issued air carrier X a turn to the right to increase spacing while air carrier X continued his descent. Air carrier X then reported the aircraft in sight 'below' him. The mode C readout of the VFR aircraft did not change. It remained constant at 4000 ft throughout the entire event. I asked air carrier X if he had the aircraft on TCASII. He told me that the aircraft appeared on TCASII at 4000 ft. I then asked the pilot if TCASII gave him an RA and he said yes. It told him to descend. Had the pilot not sighted the aircraft and acted according to TCASII RA, I might be filling out different paperwork. TCASII responded as it was supposed to, no doubt about it. But the TCASII system was only separating the 2 aircraft by data, and when the data is in error, as it was in this situation, the results could be a TCASII induced disaster.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: VFR ACFT Y ERRONEOUS XPONDER MODE C ACR X TCASII RA NON RESPONSE.
Narrative: TCASII MAY BE A BONE OR A BLESSING DEPENDING ON WHICH SIDE OF THE FENCE YOU'RE ON. I HAVE READ MANY ARTICLES TOUTING HOW TCASII SAVED MANY ACFT FROM IMPENDING DOOM. TCASII MAY BE A GREAT TOOL IN PREVENTING ACCIDENTS, BUT THE SYS IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE INFO PROVIDED BY XPONDER EQUIPPED ACFT. THE FOLLOWING SIT OCCURRED JUN/XX/93, 20 NM FROM ATL ARPT. I WAS WORKING THE ARR 'A' SECTOR AT ATL TRACON. MY WORKLOAD WAS HVY AS WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ARR RUSH. ILS APCHS WERE IN USE AS THE VISIBILITY WAS POOR DUE TO THE HAZE AND THE SETTING SUN. ATL WAS LNDG ON RWY 26R AND 27L. THE FINAL TO RWY 27L WAS OUT TO 20 MI E OF ATL. MY SUPVR SHOWED ME A VFR TARGET OPERATING 20 MI ENE OF ATL SBOUND. MODE C READOUT OF THIS ACFT WAS 4000 FT. I WAS VECTORING AND DSNDING MY ACFT TO 3500 FT FOR THE APCH TO RWY 27L. THE VFR ACFT WAS CONTINUING S AND I ISSUED TFC TO ALL AFFECTED ACFT. ACR X WAS ON THE DOWNWIND AT 7000 FT AND WAS INSTRUCTED TO DSND AND MAINTAIN 3500 FT. I TOLD THE PLT TO EXPEDITE DSCNT TO GET BELOW THE VFR TFC AT 4000 FT. THE VFR TFC WAS AT ACR X'S 10 O'CLOCK POS AND ABOUT 10 MI. I KEPT UPDATING THE VFR'S POS TO ACR X. THE SIT EVENTUALLY DEVELOPED TO A POINT WHERE THE VFR ACFT WAS AT ACR X'S 10 O'CLOCK POS AND 2 MI AND BOTH ACFT WERE INDICATING 4000 FT ON MODE C. I ISSUED ACR X A TURN TO THE R TO INCREASE SPACING WHILE ACR X CONTINUED HIS DSCNT. ACR X THEN RPTED THE ACFT IN SIGHT 'BELOW' HIM. THE MODE C READOUT OF THE VFR ACFT DID NOT CHANGE. IT REMAINED CONSTANT AT 4000 FT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE EVENT. I ASKED ACR X IF HE HAD THE ACFT ON TCASII. HE TOLD ME THAT THE ACFT APPEARED ON TCASII AT 4000 FT. I THEN ASKED THE PLT IF TCASII GAVE HIM AN RA AND HE SAID YES. IT TOLD HIM TO DSND. HAD THE PLT NOT SIGHTED THE ACFT AND ACTED ACCORDING TO TCASII RA, I MIGHT BE FILLING OUT DIFFERENT PAPERWORK. TCASII RESPONDED AS IT WAS SUPPOSED TO, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. BUT THE TCASII SYS WAS ONLY SEPARATING THE 2 ACFT BY DATA, AND WHEN THE DATA IS IN ERROR, AS IT WAS IN THIS SIT, THE RESULTS COULD BE A TCASII INDUCED DISASTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.