Medium large transport crossed runway hold line without ATC clearance.

Attributes
ACN	243849
Time
Date	199306
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : lga
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 6000
ASRS Report	243849
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation
Situations
ATC Facility	procedure or policy : unspecified
Airport	other physical facility

Narrative:

Instructions by ground were 'taxi to runway 4 via inner.' as I approached the departure end of runway 4 an large transport was stopped at hold line 2. I stopped behind him and switched to tower without an acknowledgement. The large transport was cleared to position on runway 4 and then cleared for takeoff. I continued to taxi, stopping well short of hold line 1. At least a min passed and tower came on its frequency and stated 'taxi across the approach end of runway 4 to taxiway 'a' and hold short of intersection ab, because I had crossed hold line 2 and traffic was on final for runway 4 for landing.' I completed the approach end crossing and eventually crossed back across runway 4 at intersection ab and held at hold line 2 until cleared for takeoff. No instructions on ATIS or ground control to stop at hold line 2. I did not ask which hold line to stop at on ground or tower. No special instructions are posted in our manuals or signs observed at the departure end of runway 4 to state 'unless otherwise directed stop at hold line 2.' I will now ask ground which position they want me to stop short of prior to switching to tower even if they do not give instructions, which they should.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: MLG CROSSED RWY HOLD LINE WITHOUT ATC CLRNC.

Narrative: INSTRUCTIONS BY GND WERE 'TAXI TO RWY 4 VIA INNER.' AS I APCHED THE DEP END OF RWY 4 AN LGT WAS STOPPED AT HOLD LINE 2. I STOPPED BEHIND HIM AND SWITCHED TO TWR WITHOUT AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. THE LGT WAS CLRED TO POS ON RWY 4 AND THEN CLRED FOR TKOF. I CONTINUED TO TAXI, STOPPING WELL SHORT OF HOLD LINE 1. AT LEAST A MIN PASSED AND TWR CAME ON ITS FREQ AND STATED 'TAXI ACROSS THE APCH END OF RWY 4 TO TXWY 'A' AND HOLD SHORT OF INTXN AB, BECAUSE I HAD CROSSED HOLD LINE 2 AND TFC WAS ON FINAL FOR RWY 4 FOR LNDG.' I COMPLETED THE APCH END XING AND EVENTUALLY CROSSED BACK ACROSS RWY 4 AT INTXN AB AND HELD AT HOLD LINE 2 UNTIL CLRED FOR TKOF. NO INSTRUCTIONS ON ATIS OR GND CTL TO STOP AT HOLD LINE 2. I DID NOT ASK WHICH HOLD LINE TO STOP AT ON GND OR TWR. NO SPECIAL INSTRUCTIONS ARE POSTED IN OUR MANUALS OR SIGNS OBSERVED AT THE DEP END OF RWY 4 TO STATE 'UNLESS OTHERWISE DIRECTED STOP AT HOLD LINE 2.' I WILL NOW ASK GND WHICH POS THEY WANT ME TO STOP SHORT OF PRIOR TO SWITCHING TO TWR EVEN IF THEY DO NOT GIVE INSTRUCTIONS, WHICH THEY SHOULD.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.