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Attributes | |
ACN | 244773 |
Time | |
Date | 199306 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tus |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 15200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : direct |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 244773 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Just after level off at 1400 ft on flight from tus to phx, had yellow TCASII alert light. Traffic indicated 400 ft below us, level, 12 O'clock. I could not query ATC because ATC was talking with another aircraft. PNF and so could not see traffic (we never did). I announced my intention to climb if TCASII commanded. Within approximately 10 seconds we had a red TCASII warning with a 2000 FPM climb command. I immediately began to climb. Just after starting climb we were able to talk to ZAB ARTCC and told them we were climbing to about 15000 ft to avoid traffic and that we wished to descend back to 14000 ft as soon as we were past the traffic. ARTCC agreed. My maximum altitude was 15200 ft, total time off atl was about 2-3 mins. When ATC had time, they queried us. We explained we had a red TCASII avoidance command. The TCASII worked very well. Mixing VFR traffic and IFR jet traffic is not safe. Usually ATC tells us about potential traffic conflicts before TCASII sees them. Why didn't ZAB see the potential conflict? Without the TCASII this would have been a near miss or worse. Having the yellow TCASII alert for a few seconds allowed us time to evaluate the threat and to plan the maneuver. Any delay in initiating the climb would have been very dangerous.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV ALT EXCURSION AFTER TCASII RA RECEIVED ON UNKNOWN VFR TFC IN AREA.
Narrative: JUST AFTER LEVEL OFF AT 1400 FT ON FLT FROM TUS TO PHX, HAD YELLOW TCASII ALERT LIGHT. TFC INDICATED 400 FT BELOW US, LEVEL, 12 O'CLOCK. I COULD NOT QUERY ATC BECAUSE ATC WAS TALKING WITH ANOTHER ACFT. PNF AND SO COULD NOT SEE TFC (WE NEVER DID). I ANNOUNCED MY INTENTION TO CLB IF TCASII COMMANDED. WITHIN APPROX 10 SECONDS WE HAD A RED TCASII WARNING WITH A 2000 FPM CLB COMMAND. I IMMEDIATELY BEGAN TO CLB. JUST AFTER STARTING CLB WE WERE ABLE TO TALK TO ZAB ARTCC AND TOLD THEM WE WERE CLBING TO ABOUT 15000 FT TO AVOID TFC AND THAT WE WISHED TO DSND BACK TO 14000 FT AS SOON AS WE WERE PAST THE TFC. ARTCC AGREED. MY MAX ALT WAS 15200 FT, TOTAL TIME OFF ATL WAS ABOUT 2-3 MINS. WHEN ATC HAD TIME, THEY QUERIED US. WE EXPLAINED WE HAD A RED TCASII AVOIDANCE COMMAND. THE TCASII WORKED VERY WELL. MIXING VFR TFC AND IFR JET TFC IS NOT SAFE. USUALLY ATC TELLS US ABOUT POTENTIAL TFC CONFLICTS BEFORE TCASII SEES THEM. WHY DIDN'T ZAB SEE THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT? WITHOUT THE TCASII THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN A NEAR MISS OR WORSE. HAVING THE YELLOW TCASII ALERT FOR A FEW SECONDS ALLOWED US TIME TO EVALUATE THE THREAT AND TO PLAN THE MANEUVER. ANY DELAY IN INITIATING THE CLB WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY DANGEROUS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.