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Attributes | |
ACN | 247173 |
Time | |
Date | 199307 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jan |
State Reference | MS |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : jan |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 5200 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 247173 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were approaching the jan airport from the north and had begun to deviate around a large area of WX while trying to make our way to the airport for a scheduled landing. When we were about 10 mi north of the airport, moderate turbulence was encountered and we made a turn back to the north away from the WX and requested to hold. Jan approach control instructed us to hold southeast at clays intersection which was the 21 DME/340 degree radial from jan VOR. They vectored us to the radial and we intercepted at 30 DME and should have made either a parallel or teardrop entry to hold. As we neared the fix, I restated to the captain the holding instructions and then at the fix he made a right turn and started outbound. We are now holding northwest instead of southeast. When I stated that we are supposed to hold southeast, he replied 'this is the way I'm going to hold.' we were to fly 10 mi legs and when we began the outbound leg the second time, approach informed we were beyond their radar and to contact ZME. Jan approach never mentioned a conflict but I do know that there were 1 or 2 other aircraft holding in the area. When I stated to the captain we were supposed to be on the other side of the fix and that's probably why approach handed us off or wanted us to hold as they instructed, he claimed we would be too close to the WX. The captain should have requested the desired hold to his liking. I should have inquired with ATC if there would be a problem holding as we did. To this day, I don't think the captain ever felt we did anything wrong. He seems to just want to fly and leave details to others.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF AN LTT ACR ACFT FAILED TO MAKE THE HOLDING PATTERN AS ASSIGNED.
Narrative: WE WERE APCHING THE JAN ARPT FROM THE N AND HAD BEGUN TO DEVIATE AROUND A LARGE AREA OF WX WHILE TRYING TO MAKE OUR WAY TO THE ARPT FOR A SCHEDULED LNDG. WHEN WE WERE ABOUT 10 MI N OF THE ARPT, MODERATE TURB WAS ENCOUNTERED AND WE MADE A TURN BACK TO THE N AWAY FROM THE WX AND REQUESTED TO HOLD. JAN APCH CTL INSTRUCTED US TO HOLD SE AT CLAYS INTXN WHICH WAS THE 21 DME/340 DEG RADIAL FROM JAN VOR. THEY VECTORED US TO THE RADIAL AND WE INTERCEPTED AT 30 DME AND SHOULD HAVE MADE EITHER A PARALLEL OR TEARDROP ENTRY TO HOLD. AS WE NEARED THE FIX, I RESTATED TO THE CAPT THE HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS AND THEN AT THE FIX HE MADE A R TURN AND STARTED OUTBOUND. WE ARE NOW HOLDING NW INSTEAD OF SE. WHEN I STATED THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO HOLD SE, HE REPLIED 'THIS IS THE WAY I'M GOING TO HOLD.' WE WERE TO FLY 10 MI LEGS AND WHEN WE BEGAN THE OUTBOUND LEG THE SECOND TIME, APCH INFORMED WE WERE BEYOND THEIR RADAR AND TO CONTACT ZME. JAN APCH NEVER MENTIONED A CONFLICT BUT I DO KNOW THAT THERE WERE 1 OR 2 OTHER ACFT HOLDING IN THE AREA. WHEN I STATED TO THE CAPT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIX AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY APCH HANDED US OFF OR WANTED US TO HOLD AS THEY INSTRUCTED, HE CLAIMED WE WOULD BE TOO CLOSE TO THE WX. THE CAPT SHOULD HAVE REQUESTED THE DESIRED HOLD TO HIS LIKING. I SHOULD HAVE INQUIRED WITH ATC IF THERE WOULD BE A PROB HOLDING AS WE DID. TO THIS DAY, I DON'T THINK THE CAPT EVER FELT WE DID ANYTHING WRONG. HE SEEMS TO JUST WANT TO FLY AND LEAVE DETAILS TO OTHERS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.