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Attributes | |
ACN | 247861 |
Time | |
Date | 199308 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bwz |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10500 msl bound upper : 10500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : zny |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 20 flight time total : 2200 flight time type : 20 |
ASRS Report | 247861 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 50 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
I was in cruise VFR at 10500 and had just been handed off from ny departure (126.85?) and made contact with ZNY (135.75) when an medium large transport was suddenly noted at my 2 O'clock position heading at me and apparently descending. It passed just behind me and overhead. I immediately told the controller an medium large transport just passed overhead and he sort of grunted back 'yeah.' no further word from him. The medium large transport was a scheduled airline plane I thought. We were both under positive control. Maybe talking to different controllers since I was leaving ny TCA and he was going in. Seems like alarm bells would have sounded somewhere. Maybe everything was cool, but the separation was too close for comfort and it was an unnerving experience -- perhaps more so for the pilots, passenger of the other plane and also the controller. Perhaps the proximity to bwz was a factor as well as being between or at the edge of ATC sectors.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC.
Narrative: I WAS IN CRUISE VFR AT 10500 AND HAD JUST BEEN HANDED OFF FROM NY DEP (126.85?) AND MADE CONTACT WITH ZNY (135.75) WHEN AN MLG WAS SUDDENLY NOTED AT MY 2 O'CLOCK POS HDG AT ME AND APPARENTLY DSNDING. IT PASSED JUST BEHIND ME AND OVERHEAD. I IMMEDIATELY TOLD THE CTLR AN MLG JUST PASSED OVERHEAD AND HE SORT OF GRUNTED BACK 'YEAH.' NO FURTHER WORD FROM HIM. THE MLG WAS A SCHEDULED AIRLINE PLANE I THOUGHT. WE WERE BOTH UNDER POSITIVE CTL. MAYBE TALKING TO DIFFERENT CTLRS SINCE I WAS LEAVING NY TCA AND HE WAS GOING IN. SEEMS LIKE ALARM BELLS WOULD HAVE SOUNDED SOMEWHERE. MAYBE EVERYTHING WAS COOL, BUT THE SEPARATION WAS TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT AND IT WAS AN UNNERVING EXPERIENCE -- PERHAPS MORE SO FOR THE PLTS, PAX OF THE OTHER PLANE AND ALSO THE CTLR. PERHAPS THE PROX TO BWZ WAS A FACTOR AS WELL AS BEING BTWN OR AT THE EDGE OF ATC SECTORS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.