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Attributes | |
ACN | 248679 |
Time | |
Date | 199308 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pie airport : tpa |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 20000 msl bound upper : 20000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zjx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 9450 flight time type : 250 |
ASRS Report | 248679 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Scheduled airline flight from tpa to ord. Tpa clearance gave us tampa 2 SID with deviations from published heading/altitude. Flight was running late due to maintenance, so captain and I got out SID plates and read checklists and pushed back almost immediately. We expected runway 18R departure, but ground gave us runway 18L, so both captain and I had to get out our airport diagrams, which we put on top of SID plates. On reaching runway, we received immediate takeoff clearance. We flew assigned heading, switched departure and got a 360 degree vector. Passing about 10000 ft, we switched ZJX and were given a VFR aircraft traffic call, altitude unknown, at 12 O'clock. Captain engaged autoplt and pms, which began to accelerate aircraft. Traffic wasn't on TCASII and ZJX gave us updates on its position while we both looked for it. We never did see it before center called us clear of traffic. Shortly thereafter, center asked if we were aware of the 250 KTS speed restriction on the tampa 2 SID. The captain and I pulled our SID plates out and found the restriction in the notes and advised center we'd overlooked it. They then asked our speed, to which I replied 300 KTS and asked what speed was needed. Center replied, 'normal speed.' throughout this evolution, there was never any traffic on TCASII, yet center never gave us normal speed until we'd been nailed for speeding. Since we were on a vector well north of tampa, the captain and I were not sure we were still on the SID anyway. Upon further investigation, we looked up every airport we knew which restricts speed to 250 KTS on departure. Not one has the restriction on the sids -- they all issue it via clearance delivery. The captain called ZJX to ask why tampa operates differently and was told that they used to verbally give the speed restriction, but assumed everyone knew about it, so put it in the notes on the SID plates. During a 1 hour period we were told we were 1 of 6 crews that was caught exceeding 250 KTS on the tampa 2 departure.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ACFT DEPARTING TPA WAS UNAWARE OF THE SPD RESTRICTION ON THE SID AND EXCEEDED TO RESTRICTION.
Narrative: SCHEDULED AIRLINE FLT FROM TPA TO ORD. TPA CLRNC GAVE US TAMPA 2 SID WITH DEVS FROM PUBLISHED HDG/ALT. FLT WAS RUNNING LATE DUE TO MAINT, SO CAPT AND I GOT OUT SID PLATES AND READ CHKLISTS AND PUSHED BACK ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. WE EXPECTED RWY 18R DEP, BUT GND GAVE US RWY 18L, SO BOTH CAPT AND I HAD TO GET OUT OUR ARPT DIAGRAMS, WHICH WE PUT ON TOP OF SID PLATES. ON REACHING RWY, WE RECEIVED IMMEDIATE TKOF CLRNC. WE FLEW ASSIGNED HDG, SWITCHED DEP AND GOT A 360 DEG VECTOR. PASSING ABOUT 10000 FT, WE SWITCHED ZJX AND WERE GIVEN A VFR ACFT TFC CALL, ALT UNKNOWN, AT 12 O'CLOCK. CAPT ENGAGED AUTOPLT AND PMS, WHICH BEGAN TO ACCELERATE ACFT. TFC WASN'T ON TCASII AND ZJX GAVE US UPDATES ON ITS POS WHILE WE BOTH LOOKED FOR IT. WE NEVER DID SEE IT BEFORE CTR CALLED US CLR OF TFC. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, CTR ASKED IF WE WERE AWARE OF THE 250 KTS SPD RESTRICTION ON THE TAMPA 2 SID. THE CAPT AND I PULLED OUR SID PLATES OUT AND FOUND THE RESTRICTION IN THE NOTES AND ADVISED CTR WE'D OVERLOOKED IT. THEY THEN ASKED OUR SPD, TO WHICH I REPLIED 300 KTS AND ASKED WHAT SPD WAS NEEDED. CTR REPLIED, 'NORMAL SPD.' THROUGHOUT THIS EVOLUTION, THERE WAS NEVER ANY TFC ON TCASII, YET CTR NEVER GAVE US NORMAL SPD UNTIL WE'D BEEN NAILED FOR SPDING. SINCE WE WERE ON A VECTOR WELL N OF TAMPA, THE CAPT AND I WERE NOT SURE WE WERE STILL ON THE SID ANYWAY. UPON FURTHER INVESTIGATION, WE LOOKED UP EVERY ARPT WE KNEW WHICH RESTRICTS SPD TO 250 KTS ON DEP. NOT ONE HAS THE RESTRICTION ON THE SIDS -- THEY ALL ISSUE IT VIA CLRNC DELIVERY. THE CAPT CALLED ZJX TO ASK WHY TAMPA OPERATES DIFFERENTLY AND WAS TOLD THAT THEY USED TO VERBALLY GIVE THE SPD RESTRICTION, BUT ASSUMED EVERYONE KNEW ABOUT IT, SO PUT IT IN THE NOTES ON THE SID PLATES. DURING A 1 HR PERIOD WE WERE TOLD WE WERE 1 OF 6 CREWS THAT WAS CAUGHT EXCEEDING 250 KTS ON THE TAMPA 2 DEP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.