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Attributes | |
ACN | 250378 |
Time | |
Date | 199308 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other landing : missed approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other landing : missed approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 250378 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Error |
Narrative:
Thunderstorm in ZNY area, we were #2 for the ILS 22 approach at lga. Air carrier was #1. They went missed approach somewhere inside of OM. We were then cleared for the ILS 22 over OM, reported wind on field 300 degrees at 62 KTS with thunderstorm. We then executed missed approach and returned to approach control frequency. We were heading 180 degrees and issued 3000 ft by approach control. Level 3000 ft, was told to turn left 040 degree heading. While in the turn at about a 090 degree heading, I note another aircraft on TCASII at 500 ft above us and descending! I start looking visually for the other aircraft. We then receive an RA from TCASII to climb, when other aircraft was also at 3000 ft. I started climb and also could see visually air carrier airline pass our 12 O'clock position. Were able to both climb slightly 200-300 ft and turn to right to about 120 degrees to avoid midair. Keeping air carrier aircraft in sight, safe distance, returned to 3000 ft and turned to assigned heading of 040 degrees. Approach controller was overloaded with thunderstorms and high density traffic area. No one ever said a word on radio about conflict or to look for traffic. I believe either controller gave both aircraft 3000 ft altitude in error, or air carrier flight was issued 4000 ft, and descended to 3000 ft. After going missed approach in a thunderstorm with heavy rain, WX radar all red painting and moderate turbulence, the last thing you need is another aircraft up close and personal! Thank god we have TCASII nowadays!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN MLG ACR ACFT TOOK EVASIVE ACTION AND DEVIATED FROM ASSIGNED HDG AND ALT IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA AND VISUAL SIGHTING OF THE OTHER ACFT.
Narrative: TSTM IN ZNY AREA, WE WERE #2 FOR THE ILS 22 APCH AT LGA. ACR WAS #1. THEY WENT MISSED APCH SOMEWHERE INSIDE OF OM. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR THE ILS 22 OVER OM, RPTED WIND ON FIELD 300 DEGS AT 62 KTS WITH TSTM. WE THEN EXECUTED MISSED APCH AND RETURNED TO APCH CTL FREQ. WE WERE HDG 180 DEGS AND ISSUED 3000 FT BY APCH CTL. LEVEL 3000 FT, WAS TOLD TO TURN L 040 DEG HDG. WHILE IN THE TURN AT ABOUT A 090 DEG HDG, I NOTE ANOTHER ACFT ON TCASII AT 500 FT ABOVE US AND DSNDING! I START LOOKING VISUALLY FOR THE OTHER ACFT. WE THEN RECEIVE AN RA FROM TCASII TO CLB, WHEN OTHER ACFT WAS ALSO AT 3000 FT. I STARTED CLB AND ALSO COULD SEE VISUALLY ACR AIRLINE PASS OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS. WERE ABLE TO BOTH CLB SLIGHTLY 200-300 FT AND TURN TO R TO ABOUT 120 DEGS TO AVOID MIDAIR. KEEPING ACR ACFT IN SIGHT, SAFE DISTANCE, RETURNED TO 3000 FT AND TURNED TO ASSIGNED HDG OF 040 DEGS. APCH CTLR WAS OVERLOADED WITH TSTMS AND HIGH DENSITY TFC AREA. NO ONE EVER SAID A WORD ON RADIO ABOUT CONFLICT OR TO LOOK FOR TFC. I BELIEVE EITHER CTLR GAVE BOTH ACFT 3000 FT ALT IN ERROR, OR ACR FLT WAS ISSUED 4000 FT, AND DSNDED TO 3000 FT. AFTER GOING MISSED APCH IN A TSTM WITH HVY RAIN, WX RADAR ALL RED PAINTING AND MODERATE TURB, THE LAST THING YOU NEED IS ANOTHER ACFT UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL! THANK GOD WE HAVE TCASII NOWADAYS!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.