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Attributes | |
ACN | 251587 |
Time | |
Date | 199309 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 12200 flight time type : 2400 |
ASRS Report | 251587 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Following the hudson river on a visual approach to runway 22 lga, we were informed by approach of VFR traffic, under approach's control, overtaking us from behind at 4500 ft (500 ft above). We then received a TCASII TA, followed by an RA of 'monitor vertical speed' followed by 'descend now!' which commanded a 1500 FPM descent on the vsi display. As PF, I immediately initiated the commanded descent. We leveled off at 3000 ft and controller was informed. We were instructed to stay at 3000 ft and told that VFR traffic had us in sight. Shortly afterward, we received another TCASII TA for VFR traffic over the river ahead and below us which we subsequently spotted. Upon departure, we received a TCASII TA for a blimp over forest hills. These last 2 targets were not pointed out by ATC. This airport is dangerous. It is an accident waiting to happen. A midair or ground collision is imminent. The contributing factors are high density traffic and controller apathy accentuated by new york arrogance. This universal, condescending and arrogant manner is difficult to describe. But I believe that it was alluded to in the fuel exhaustion accident of a foreign carrier at kennedy a few yrs ago. It is a phenomena that warrants further study.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF AN LGT ACR ACFT DSNDED OFF OF ASSIGNED VECTORING ALT IN RESPONSE TO A TCASII RA.
Narrative: FOLLOWING THE HUDSON RIVER ON A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 22 LGA, WE WERE INFORMED BY APCH OF VFR TFC, UNDER APCH'S CTL, OVERTAKING US FROM BEHIND AT 4500 FT (500 FT ABOVE). WE THEN RECEIVED A TCASII TA, FOLLOWED BY AN RA OF 'MONITOR VERT SPD' FOLLOWED BY 'DSND NOW!' WHICH COMMANDED A 1500 FPM DSCNT ON THE VSI DISPLAY. AS PF, I IMMEDIATELY INITIATED THE COMMANDED DSCNT. WE LEVELED OFF AT 3000 FT AND CTLR WAS INFORMED. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO STAY AT 3000 FT AND TOLD THAT VFR TFC HAD US IN SIGHT. SHORTLY AFTERWARD, WE RECEIVED ANOTHER TCASII TA FOR VFR TFC OVER THE RIVER AHEAD AND BELOW US WHICH WE SUBSEQUENTLY SPOTTED. UPON DEP, WE RECEIVED A TCASII TA FOR A BLIMP OVER FOREST HILLS. THESE LAST 2 TARGETS WERE NOT POINTED OUT BY ATC. THIS ARPT IS DANGEROUS. IT IS AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN. A MIDAIR OR GND COLLISION IS IMMINENT. THE CONTRIBUTING FACTORS ARE HIGH DENSITY TFC AND CTLR APATHY ACCENTUATED BY NEW YORK ARROGANCE. THIS UNIVERSAL, CONDESCENDING AND ARROGANT MANNER IS DIFFICULT TO DESCRIBE. BUT I BELIEVE THAT IT WAS ALLUDED TO IN THE FUEL EXHAUSTION ACCIDENT OF A FOREIGN CARRIER AT KENNEDY A FEW YRS AGO. IT IS A PHENOMENA THAT WARRANTS FURTHER STUDY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.