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Attributes | |
ACN | 254984 |
Time | |
Date | 199310 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 17200 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 254984 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 254599 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While operating as so on widebody transport from msp/ord the tower cleared us to taxi into position on runway 29L. While taxiing on to the runway, msp tower cleared us for an immediate takeoff due to an aircraft on final. The flight attendants had finished the video/PA and the lead flight attendant just called us to tell us that everyone was seated, to which I responded that we have been cleared and we are on the go. The captain called for the takeoff check. I completed the takeoff check, after which, in the rush to get airborne, there was a question in my mind as to if I had notified the flight attendants of our immediate takeoff. Upon arrival at ord, the lead flight attendant came into the cockpit and informed us that, when takeoff power was advanced, that a couple of flight attendants had not made it to their jumpseat and had to situation in some other seat. I feel this situation arose from the flight crew letting themselves be put in a position where we were being rushed into a takeoff. With 20/20 hindsight, it may have been more prudent to refuse the takeoff clearance and just let the aircraft on final approach do a go around. Another factor in this situation is that the lead flight attendant could have waited until all flight attendants were seated before calling the cockpit. Also, in re-thinking what happened, I could have picked up the emergency PA microphone and informed the flight attendants of the immediate takeoff clearance. Supplemental information from acn 254599: found out later that the flight attendants policy (company policy) is to do a final cabin walk- through prior to departure! They were unable to do this as we were rolling with the 'ready call' received from the lead. As a result, doors 5L,right were unmanned for takeoff.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WDB BEGINS TKOF ROLL WITH CABIN ATTENDANTS NOT YET SEATED.
Narrative: WHILE OPERATING AS SO ON WDB FROM MSP/ORD THE TWR CLRED US TO TAXI INTO POS ON RWY 29L. WHILE TAXIING ON TO THE RWY, MSP TWR CLRED US FOR AN IMMEDIATE TKOF DUE TO AN ACFT ON FINAL. THE FLT ATTENDANTS HAD FINISHED THE VIDEO/PA AND THE LEAD FLT ATTENDANT JUST CALLED US TO TELL US THAT EVERYONE WAS SEATED, TO WHICH I RESPONDED THAT WE HAVE BEEN CLRED AND WE ARE ON THE GO. THE CAPT CALLED FOR THE TKOF CHK. I COMPLETED THE TKOF CHK, AFTER WHICH, IN THE RUSH TO GET AIRBORNE, THERE WAS A QUESTION IN MY MIND AS TO IF I HAD NOTIFIED THE FLT ATTENDANTS OF OUR IMMEDIATE TKOF. UPON ARR AT ORD, THE LEAD FLT ATTENDANT CAME INTO THE COCKPIT AND INFORMED US THAT, WHEN TKOF PWR WAS ADVANCED, THAT A COUPLE OF FLT ATTENDANTS HAD NOT MADE IT TO THEIR JUMPSEAT AND HAD TO SIT IN SOME OTHER SEAT. I FEEL THIS SIT AROSE FROM THE FLC LETTING THEMSELVES BE PUT IN A POS WHERE WE WERE BEING RUSHED INTO A TKOF. WITH 20/20 HINDSIGHT, IT MAY HAVE BEEN MORE PRUDENT TO REFUSE THE TKOF CLRNC AND JUST LET THE ACFT ON FINAL APCH DO A GAR. ANOTHER FACTOR IN THIS SIT IS THAT THE LEAD FLT ATTENDANT COULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL ALL FLT ATTENDANTS WERE SEATED BEFORE CALLING THE COCKPIT. ALSO, IN RE-THINKING WHAT HAPPENED, I COULD HAVE PICKED UP THE EMER PA MIKE AND INFORMED THE FLT ATTENDANTS OF THE IMMEDIATE TKOF CLRNC. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 254599: FOUND OUT LATER THAT THE FLT ATTENDANTS POLICY (COMPANY POLICY) IS TO DO A FINAL CABIN WALK- THROUGH PRIOR TO DEP! THEY WERE UNABLE TO DO THIS AS WE WERE ROLLING WITH THE 'READY CALL' RECEIVED FROM THE LEAD. AS A RESULT, DOORS 5L,R WERE UNMANNED FOR TKOF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.