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Attributes | |
ACN | 256661 |
Time | |
Date | 199311 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sea |
State Reference | WA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3200 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sea |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 256661 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 9200 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 256656 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Descending on downwind for landing 16R seatac airport, first officer told approach controller we had airport in sight. Controller said, 'cleared base, turn final above 3200 MSL.' first officer read back 'cleared visual 16R, turn final above 3200 ft.' controller did not make any corrections to readback. After turning base controller said, 'we turned too early and should be over to bay, for the bay visual to 16R.' we told him we understood 'turn base and turn final above 3200 ft.' the approach supervisor asked me to call him. He said he listened to tape and said the controller cleared us for 'bay visual to 16R.' I do not have access to our cockpit voice recorder to hear what was received in the cockpit. However, all 3 pilots understood 'cleared base, turn final above 3200 ft,' and the first officer read back our understanding and was not corrected by the approach controller. The title of the approach 'bay visual' can be interpreted as 'base' if the transmission is broken or garbled. The procedure name should be changed. No traffic conflict occurred. The procedure is for noise abatement. The power was at idle until 2 1/2 to 3 mi on final. Supplemental information from acn 256656: controller said (I thought) 'turn final at or above 3200 ft, cleared visual approach to runway 16R' and that's what I read back. Controller did not correct me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLRED FOR THE 'BAY VISUAL' APCH, CREW THOUGHT THEY WERE CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH AND ACTED ACCORDINGLY.
Narrative: DSNDING ON DOWNWIND FOR LNDG 16R SEATAC ARPT, FO TOLD APCH CTLR WE HAD ARPT IN SIGHT. CTLR SAID, 'CLRED BASE, TURN FINAL ABOVE 3200 MSL.' FO READ BACK 'CLRED VISUAL 16R, TURN FINAL ABOVE 3200 FT.' CTLR DID NOT MAKE ANY CORRECTIONS TO READBACK. AFTER TURNING BASE CTLR SAID, 'WE TURNED TOO EARLY AND SHOULD BE OVER TO BAY, FOR THE BAY VISUAL TO 16R.' WE TOLD HIM WE UNDERSTOOD 'TURN BASE AND TURN FINAL ABOVE 3200 FT.' THE APCH SUPVR ASKED ME TO CALL HIM. HE SAID HE LISTENED TO TAPE AND SAID THE CTLR CLRED US FOR 'BAY VISUAL TO 16R.' I DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO OUR COCKPIT VOICE RECORDER TO HEAR WHAT WAS RECEIVED IN THE COCKPIT. HOWEVER, ALL 3 PLTS UNDERSTOOD 'CLRED BASE, TURN FINAL ABOVE 3200 FT,' AND THE FO READ BACK OUR UNDERSTANDING AND WAS NOT CORRECTED BY THE APCH CTLR. THE TITLE OF THE APCH 'BAY VISUAL' CAN BE INTERPRETED AS 'BASE' IF THE XMISSION IS BROKEN OR GARBLED. THE PROC NAME SHOULD BE CHANGED. NO TFC CONFLICT OCCURRED. THE PROC IS FOR NOISE ABATEMENT. THE PWR WAS AT IDLE UNTIL 2 1/2 TO 3 MI ON FINAL. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 256656: CTLR SAID (I THOUGHT) 'TURN FINAL AT OR ABOVE 3200 FT, CLRED VISUAL APCH TO RWY 16R' AND THAT'S WHAT I READ BACK. CTLR DID NOT CORRECT ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.