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Attributes | |
ACN | 260935 |
Time | |
Date | 199401 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ory |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ory |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff ground : preflight |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 225 |
ASRS Report | 260935 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 60 |
ASRS Report | 260732 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Navigational Aid | Unspecified |
Narrative:
After takeoff from paris orly, west departure, made turn at VOR (ol) mileage. This turn was to intercept radial of rbt VOR. Rbt was off the air and the backup frequency did not work. We took up a northwest heading to intercept the airway and on course. Paris departure or ATC had no problem without departure. Correction: this information should have been on ATIS or listed in the french NOTAM information. Supplemental information from acn 260732: on departure tried to intercept rbt 135 degree radial but found station to be off the air. 2 stations were noted to be off on the ATIS broadcast, but they sounded like stations other than rbt. Soon after turning to an approximately intercept heading, we were vectored and no longer needed rbt. I probably misunderstood the ATIS, and rbt was really off the air. Language barrier was an obvious problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR WDB FOUND THAT A FOREIGN VOR WAS OTS.
Narrative: AFTER TKOF FROM PARIS ORLY, W DEP, MADE TURN AT VOR (OL) MILEAGE. THIS TURN WAS TO INTERCEPT RADIAL OF RBT VOR. RBT WAS OFF THE AIR AND THE BACKUP FREQ DID NOT WORK. WE TOOK UP A NW HDG TO INTERCEPT THE AIRWAY AND ON COURSE. PARIS DEP OR ATC HAD NO PROB WITHOUT DEP. CORRECTION: THIS INFO SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON ATIS OR LISTED IN THE FRENCH NOTAM INFO. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 260732: ON DEP TRIED TO INTERCEPT RBT 135 DEG RADIAL BUT FOUND STATION TO BE OFF THE AIR. 2 STATIONS WERE NOTED TO BE OFF ON THE ATIS BROADCAST, BUT THEY SOUNDED LIKE STATIONS OTHER THAN RBT. SOON AFTER TURNING TO AN APPROX INTERCEPT HDG, WE WERE VECTORED AND NO LONGER NEEDED RBT. I PROBABLY MISUNDERSTOOD THE ATIS, AND RBT WAS REALLY OFF THE AIR. LANGUAGE BARRIER WAS AN OBVIOUS PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.