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Attributes | |
ACN | 262654 |
Time | |
Date | 199401 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : csg |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 262654 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
FARS and company policy require that the person responsible for deicing an aircraft report the following information to the pilot(south): aircraft tail number type deicing fluid applied, percent mixture of fluid(south), time of initiation of final phase of deicing, and a statement that the aircraft critical areas are free of contamination and the post-application check is complete. No snow or contamination was on the aircraft prior to deicing. But since there were light snow showers, we decided to deice just to be extra safe. The post application report we received (over company radio) was incomplete, and although I reminded him that it was required, the captain did not insist on receiving a proper report prior to taxiing. Since I had just checked the aircraft from the outside prior to pushback, and determined that deicing was not required in the first place, I didn't press the issue. However, had deicing been necessary, I would have exercised cockpit resource management skills and insisted on a proper, complete deicing report prior to moving the aircraft. Part of the initial and recurrent training of ground deicing crews should be a requirement for an oral test that includes the task of verbally demonstrating several examples of complete deicing reports. Another way to solve the problem would be to not allow pilots to takeoff without a complete, written report. Pilots need to be trained that they cannot go without a correct, complete report.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG ACFT DEICED IN LIGHT SNOW SHOWERS BUT LEAVES WITHOUT HAVING COMPLETE DEICE RPT FROM GND CREW.
Narrative: FARS AND COMPANY POLICY REQUIRE THAT THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR DEICING AN ACFT RPT THE FOLLOWING INFO TO THE PLT(S): ACFT TAIL NUMBER TYPE DEICING FLUID APPLIED, PERCENT MIXTURE OF FLUID(S), TIME OF INITIATION OF FINAL PHASE OF DEICING, AND A STATEMENT THAT THE ACFT CRITICAL AREAS ARE FREE OF CONTAMINATION AND THE POST-APPLICATION CHK IS COMPLETE. NO SNOW OR CONTAMINATION WAS ON THE ACFT PRIOR TO DEICING. BUT SINCE THERE WERE LIGHT SNOW SHOWERS, WE DECIDED TO DEICE JUST TO BE EXTRA SAFE. THE POST APPLICATION RPT WE RECEIVED (OVER COMPANY RADIO) WAS INCOMPLETE, AND ALTHOUGH I REMINDED HIM THAT IT WAS REQUIRED, THE CAPT DID NOT INSIST ON RECEIVING A PROPER RPT PRIOR TO TAXIING. SINCE I HAD JUST CHKED THE ACFT FROM THE OUTSIDE PRIOR TO PUSHBACK, AND DETERMINED THAT DEICING WAS NOT REQUIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE, I DIDN'T PRESS THE ISSUE. HOWEVER, HAD DEICING BEEN NECESSARY, I WOULD HAVE EXERCISED COCKPIT RESOURCE MGMNT SKILLS AND INSISTED ON A PROPER, COMPLETE DEICING RPT PRIOR TO MOVING THE ACFT. PART OF THE INITIAL AND RECURRENT TRAINING OF GND DEICING CREWS SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT FOR AN ORAL TEST THAT INCLUDES THE TASK OF VERBALLY DEMONSTRATING SEVERAL EXAMPLES OF COMPLETE DEICING RPTS. ANOTHER WAY TO SOLVE THE PROB WOULD BE TO NOT ALLOW PLTS TO TKOF WITHOUT A COMPLETE, WRITTEN RPT. PLTS NEED TO BE TRAINED THAT THEY CANNOT GO WITHOUT A CORRECT, COMPLETE RPT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.