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Attributes | |
ACN | 267119 |
Time | |
Date | 199403 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dxo |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : dtw |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 267119 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ZOB cleared us to descend and maintain 12000 ft on the spica 2 arrival as expected. On initial contact with dtw approach, we requested the vernr (FMS) transition. After a little hesitation we were cleared the vernr transition and selected 5000 ft on the mode control panel, the final altitude on the transition. We were later told to slow to 250 KTS. The airplane, on autoplt, began a descent on the FMS transition as it is preprogrammed to be at robbi at 5000 ft, the next constraint. Approach then inquired about our altitude and advised us to maintain 7000 ft. I think we were passing about 9000 ft at the time. The FMS transition needs an altitude constraint at the beginning. All other known FMS transitions or profile dscnts have this feature enabling selection of final altitude of the procedure when cleared. The vertical profiles preprogrammed need to match the altitudes the controllers are likely to want. They then must specifically restrict us to any other altitude necessary. If the entire procedure is only a ground track (no vertical navigation) it must boldly state 'altitudes as assigned.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X NON ADHERENCE TO ATC CLRNC EXCURSION FROM ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: ZOB CLRED US TO DSND AND MAINTAIN 12000 FT ON THE SPICA 2 ARR AS EXPECTED. ON INITIAL CONTACT WITH DTW APCH, WE REQUESTED THE VERNR (FMS) TRANSITION. AFTER A LITTLE HESITATION WE WERE CLRED THE VERNR TRANSITION AND SELECTED 5000 FT ON THE MODE CTL PANEL, THE FINAL ALT ON THE TRANSITION. WE WERE LATER TOLD TO SLOW TO 250 KTS. THE AIRPLANE, ON AUTOPLT, BEGAN A DSCNT ON THE FMS TRANSITION AS IT IS PREPROGRAMMED TO BE AT ROBBI AT 5000 FT, THE NEXT CONSTRAINT. APCH THEN INQUIRED ABOUT OUR ALT AND ADVISED US TO MAINTAIN 7000 FT. I THINK WE WERE PASSING ABOUT 9000 FT AT THE TIME. THE FMS TRANSITION NEEDS AN ALT CONSTRAINT AT THE BEGINNING. ALL OTHER KNOWN FMS TRANSITIONS OR PROFILE DSCNTS HAVE THIS FEATURE ENABLING SELECTION OF FINAL ALT OF THE PROC WHEN CLRED. THE VERT PROFILES PREPROGRAMMED NEED TO MATCH THE ALTS THE CTLRS ARE LIKELY TO WANT. THEY THEN MUST SPECIFICALLY RESTRICT US TO ANY OTHER ALT NECESSARY. IF THE ENTIRE PROC IS ONLY A GND TRACK (NO VERT NAV) IT MUST BOLDLY STATE 'ALTS AS ASSIGNED.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.