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Attributes | |
ACN | 274167 |
Time | |
Date | 199406 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10500 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : mmid |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : lax |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 274167 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | controller supervisory : 60 flight time last 90 days : 0 flight time total : 50300 |
ASRS Report | 274965 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During initial descent I selected the civet profile descent to lax. After entering the crossing restrs, 'too steep path' was shown between bremer at 12000 ft and merce at 4000 ft. Since I have experienced this to be the case, I decided to try selecting a crossing restr of 10000 ft to force the FMS to descend us a little earlier and I would manually intervene for crossing restr. I've never done this before nor is it a recommended procedure. Then, the lead flight attendant entered the cockpit and stated he smelled electrical fumes. This was passing about FL200. Both the first officer and myself were concerned about this and we also smelled electrical fumes. At bremer, approach control asked us out altitude which was 10500 ft. I had neglected to manually intervene to stop the descent at 12000 ft. I will not use this technique again. Always setting the crossing restr in the FMS is the only proper way to program the FMS.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG FLC MISSES XING RESTR.
Narrative: DURING INITIAL DSCNT I SELECTED THE CIVET PROFILE DSCNT TO LAX. AFTER ENTERING THE XING RESTRS, 'TOO STEEP PATH' WAS SHOWN BTWN BREMER AT 12000 FT AND MERCE AT 4000 FT. SINCE I HAVE EXPERIENCED THIS TO BE THE CASE, I DECIDED TO TRY SELECTING A XING RESTR OF 10000 FT TO FORCE THE FMS TO DSND US A LITTLE EARLIER AND I WOULD MANUALLY INTERVENE FOR XING RESTR. I'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE NOR IS IT A RECOMMENDED PROC. THEN, THE LEAD FLT ATTENDANT ENTERED THE COCKPIT AND STATED HE SMELLED ELECTRICAL FUMES. THIS WAS PASSING ABOUT FL200. BOTH THE FO AND MYSELF WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS AND WE ALSO SMELLED ELECTRICAL FUMES. AT BREMER, APCH CTL ASKED US OUT ALT WHICH WAS 10500 FT. I HAD NEGLECTED TO MANUALLY INTERVENE TO STOP THE DSCNT AT 12000 FT. I WILL NOT USE THIS TECHNIQUE AGAIN. ALWAYS SETTING THE XING RESTR IN THE FMS IS THE ONLY PROPER WAY TO PROGRAM THE FMS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.